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09 Sep 2015, 8:19 pm

Misogyny seems to be closely allied to bitterness and resentment.



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09 Sep 2015, 9:13 pm

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He still hasn't publicly apologized to women for it and they weren't happy with his explanation.


All women in the world weren't happy with his explanation? Because that's what this sentence says.



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09 Sep 2015, 10:01 pm

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He still hasn't publicly apologized to women for it and they weren't happy with his explanation.


All women in the world weren't happy with his explanation? Because that's what this sentence says.


It's obvious that is it is a continuation of the NYC subway discussion.
The female riders of NYC subway system, who he upset and/or offended weren't all happy with this response.
The YouTube comments can be quite negative regarding what he did and how he handled his lack of apology to women of NYC subway ridership.
They are even bothering him on Twitter and other social media outlets.
Since foreign media has picked it up, it is no longer confined to the NYC and the U.S.

It may blow over in time, though the longer he goes without making full amends, the higher the chances are of a massive backlash.
Though if he makes full amends, he validates the law and those women who are upset and/or offended at him, while making enemies of those who support him.

If he refuses or fails to make full amends, does it make him a sexist misogynist and/or an active supporter of opponents of women rights as some are claiming?


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10 Sep 2015, 2:35 am

Wow, feminists keep getting even more ridiculous. I've seen trains which are full and people are standing up and yet women still have their bag on the seat next to them. I've never seen a man doing the f*****g splits to take up two seats though.



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10 Sep 2015, 4:25 am

Manspreading bugs me, as do bags on seats etc.

A bag can be removed upon request, it is a commonly accepted courtesy and one often written on signs on public transport, how on earth do you request that a man just uses the leg room available for his seat and not invade your space, without it becoming a very awkward conversation... And nooo I do not want to see reproductive organs popping out of anywhere publically.

Does equal opportunities mean that basic common courtesies are no longer required?

Or was that type of courtesy linked with reward?



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10 Sep 2015, 4:46 am

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how on earth do you request that a man just uses the leg room available for his seat and not invade your space, without it becoming a very awkward conversation...

"Sorry, can please I sit here?" He'd then wonder why you're asking and notice that he's taking up the space from the seat, and move his legs closer together. That's not awkward is it?



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10 Sep 2015, 5:05 am

The Times columnist Hugo Rifkin considers the issue in this piece from Gentleman's Quarterly:

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/ar ... ind-column

Having read his essays in the Spectator for a long time, I state confidently that he is not a feminist.

The photographs in the link are particularly evocation of the assumption many of the sitters appear to display that they have a right to not only occupy more space than others, but to occupy other seats meant for others, as well as their own - "double-seat hogs". As the saying goes, a pictures can be worth a thousand words. Not all do men do this, not even most men, in my experience, and I haven't heard of a resultant outbreak of damaged testicles yet. This unseemly (and to my mind hostile) behaviour was never seen in public 50 years ago. It would have attracted adverse comment and immediate public shaming. But no-one did it - it was just known as one of those things that was not done and considered ignorant and uncivilised - like picking your nose at a dinner table, or wiping your hands on the tablecloth in a restaurant. It would have been considered as rude, ignorant, hostile.

I think it is still those things. It is not about feminism. It is about respect for others, or the opposite - disrespect for others. Some men seem to feel particularly entitled to display disrespect for others - is this a macho thing for some of them? "See, I'm such a topdog, I don't have to consider anyone else, I accord myself the right to take up more space than anyone else, you are all less important than me". The only good thing about this space-hogging behavior is that it identifies people you may really want to avoid in future, should you have the bad luck to meet them anywhere else, if you are a person whose values include courtesy and respect. And that must be a positive.



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10 Sep 2015, 5:54 am

I doubt they're doing it to repress women. They're most likely doing it because they find it comfortable. If the train is packed then of course it's rude to deny someone a seat just so you can be comfortable, but if it's not then I don't see the problem. Goes for both genders. I think it's more about manners. I agree with the article you linked, but not with you. I don't see it as being hostile behavior.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:02 am

Just as well we don't have to agree then. I hope Alex never adds that as a rule..



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10 Sep 2015, 6:11 am

yeah really, so many terrible mysognists on this forum, while we just keep on banning that psychopatic man hater. :roll:

I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:19 am

I my opinion ASD men are less misogynist than the general population. It's a lot harder to hate on other groups when you're in a minority group. Some bitter people here might express some misogynist comments, but the amount that actually believe those convictions are very few. People say stupid stuff when they're really emotional. Being bitter towards your dating life does not equal true misogyny. Being misogynist is actively treating the female sex like they're inferior as much as possible.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:32 am

That is certainly true of the Asp men I have met in real life. No exceptions so far. They much more regard women generally as equal human beings. And I have met quite a few of them.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:38 am

Booyakasha wrote:
yeah really, so many terrible mysognists on this forum, while we just keep on banning that psychopatic man hater. :roll:

I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.


Let's hope we never do see that, Booyakasha. It's appalling behaviour, whoever does it. Though perhaps it's overkill to generalise from a single case. I'm surprised that WP has no kind of techie alarm system to stop abuse like that of the site. However I am technically ignorant in such matters, and it may not be possible.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:53 am

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Just as well we don't have to agree then. I hope Alex never adds that as a rule..

Nor did I say you should. Please stop trying to find hidden intentions behind my posts.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:24 am

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I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.


They wouldn't need to, as they wouldn't be banned in the first place. WP is incredibly tolerant of guys who talk about women as if we're all insane, or evil, or objects to acquire, or all three. Something about letting people be stupid, I read somewhere. Cornflake himself, a moderator, once called me "princess" in a sarcastic, demeaning way.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:35 am

YippySkippy wrote:
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I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.


They wouldn't need to, as they wouldn't be banned in the first place. WP is incredibly tolerant of guys who talk about women as if we're all insane, or evil, or objects to acquire, or all three. Something about letting people be stupid, I read somewhere. Cornflake himself, a moderator, once called me "princess" in a sarcastic, demeaning way.


Well WP is also very tolerant, apparently, as can be seen from this thread, of people calling others "terrible mysogynists" which is a gross personal attack of the vast number of the male population here. This thread isn't really in accordance with the rules, yet it stands.

What about that?