Unwanted attention from customers (Women Only)

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dianthus
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01 Feb 2016, 11:52 pm

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Oooh good one.

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When I was younger, I would sometimes even rescue these kinds of men from their own lingering discomfort by being sweet, because women are trained to reward men for all sorts of things by being sweet. I don’t do that anymore, because I’ve realized that smoothing it over with a stranger who has made me feel degraded usually feels more degrading than the actual offense and placating men in this way is a waste of my time.


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Telling a woman that you think she is beautiful can seem very innocuous; sometimes it is. Sometimes, it will make her day. All this depends on context and I cannot explain when it is and is not OK, because that is like trying to explain intuition. Intuition about what will and won’t offend women is really just a set of odds, based on your lizard brain tabulating and comparing the outcomes of many similar previous interactions. But it’s important to recognize that these odds are skewed because women so often swallow their discomfort or indignation in order to keep the peace—especially if they are at work.


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Although these situations are too nuanced and contextual to come down to do’s and don’ts, there are certain things to consider before giving sexual attention to a female bartender or server. Consider the power dynamic: Women will make more money if their patrons like them; often, their managers will scold them if they react negatively to what we have collectively deemed to be acceptable attention. Where does that leave the woman? She is expected to smile and say thank you, even if she feels mildly affronted, even if she finds you disgusting—although you would likely never detect this as she is forced to suspend these opinions at work.


Yep!! ! All why it's so inappropriate to show sexual interest in a woman while she is working. I am obligated to be polite and hide my real feelings, so it's not even a real situation, it's more like role playing. It's like these guys are just taking advantage of the situation knowing that I am unlikely to be really honest with them.

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This is why somebody putting their eyes all over me or immediately telling me they like the way I look is no longer flattering. Because it makes me feel f*****g invisible.


YES, THIS



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05 Feb 2016, 9:27 am

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“Well, that person just wanted to f**k you. Maybe you are not really that smart or interesting.”


Yup. I've had what I thought male friends want to hang out then it was evident once in an awkward situation (No ride home but them, etc) that they just wanted to sleep with me. That the friendliness was just an act. If I didn't sleep with them, they wanted nothing more to do with me. My value to them was only a possible lay. And yeah that makes you feel awful. Maybe moreso as an AS person because it's hard to make friend anyway - then someone pretends to like you and be all chummy then boom. Always made me feel stupid and like something was wrong with me because I just wanted to chat about cool stuff and they wanted to get in my pants. Like I was odd because I couldn't just easily sleep with anyone for fun.



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12 Feb 2016, 2:43 am

I think you should find a job where you feel safe.


dianthus wrote:
Has anyone else had to deal with unwanted attention from male customers in a job?

I work as a field sales rep so I feel particularly vulnerable because I am going out alone to visit these customers at their businesses.

The last time it happened the guy actually came out to my car. I had just left his store so I thought maybe he had another question he forgot to ask or something to tell me, something business related. He knocked on my car window and if it had been someone I didn't know then of course I wouldn't roll my window down. I don't like having a customer that I know come out to my car either but many of them are foreign and I figure maybe they don't know any better.

So I rolled the window down and he had some question that really wasn't that important. But then he just kept standing there wanting to chit chat. I was confused about what he wanted and why he kept standing there and wouldn't go on. If it sounds like I am slow well I admit it I probably am and I really don't catch on that fast. Then he started asking personal questions like whether I have a boyfriend and things like that.

I was getting more and more uncomfortable and just trying to be polite and really didn't know what to say. He finally came right out and asked me if I would go out with him. I felt so awkward and uncomfortable and I mean the last thing I want to do is offend a customer. I just tried to decline as politely as I could.

He had never given me any indication before that he was interested in me, or if he did obviously it went over my head. And I don't think he meant to scare me or anything. But a couple of things he did were kind of scary, like the way he rested his hand on my car door so I couldn't roll the glass back up. I don't know if he did that on purpose or not. And he also looked around the inside of my car while he was standing there in a way that made me really nervous.

He wouldn't go away and the more he kept standing there, the more I felt intimidated and like my brain was freezing up so I couldn't figure out what to say. I just wondered what he was going to do. I finally cranked the car up hoping that would be the final hint to make him leave, which he did. Since then when I've been back to that store, he wasn't there so I have just been taking it one visit at a time to see if anything else weird happens.

I can report an incident like this to my supervisor and ask to have the store removed from my route, but I feel like I should only do that as a last resort. I've only reported a few cases. Like one where the guy was very persistent and eventually started showing a lot of hostility towards me when I didn't reciprocate. Most of the time I can just have it removed because it's a bad store anyway, without giving my real reason. I'm afraid if I report too many, my company will start to think I can't do the job.

Most of the time they seem like they mean well and because they from foreign countries, probably just don't understand that what they are doing is considered inappropriate in this country. I also feel like maybe they are misinterpreting some of my behavior because of the cultural difference. Like maybe they are expecting some sort of signal that women from their own culture would give to say if they are interested or not.

I'm just really slow to catch on to flirting, and by the time I figure it out things are too weird and I don't know what to say. Most of them seem like they probably don't mean any harm, but it's hard to guess what someone will do if they feel offended or rejected. And others say things that are insulting but I feel like I have to be polite about it because I'm alone.

Have any other women here had to deal with something like this and how did you handle it?



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16 Feb 2016, 9:32 pm

I don't know if there is a job where I would feel safe. I mean I could go work in a place where I wouldn't be out in public, but instead of a customer/client harassing me, it might be a co-worker or supervisor, which for me would be worse. And/or there would be office politics or whatever to deal with.

One of the biggest reasons I like my current job is I don't have to see my coworkers or supervisor that often. And if I have a problem with someone, I can usually flee pretty quickly (vs being trapped in the same building or room with them the rest of the day). It's just that sometimes people detain me, and I can't find a way out of the conversation.

I think part of the problem is I am just so overwhelmed by the job expectations. They keep adding on more and more for us to do but no extra time is given. It's gotten ridiculous. I have all these tasks on my mind and can't shift gears into a personal conversation or other unexpected scenarios.



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17 Feb 2016, 10:22 am

Don't know if it will help, but I do get the having difficulty thinking fast at the moment and wonder if coming up with a pre-rehearsed/memorized set of responses would help.

As a basic 'theme' use professionalism. As in you are a busy professional doing your job and don't have time or inclination for socializing. This was something I used a lot in varied circumstances and is fairly easy because your mind is already on this track.

Things like:

I can't talk longer because I work to attend to/another customer appointment.
Sorry, I keep business contacts professional only.
Thankyou, but to prevent favortism I don't accept gifts from clients.



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17 Feb 2016, 10:50 am

As the creep is talking, just casually reach up and start picking your nose. Bonus points if you stare him in the eye while doing it.



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17 Feb 2016, 11:44 am

^ :lol: I like!


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17 Feb 2016, 1:03 pm

dianthus wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
Part of the problem is that you're trying to be polite. Just give a stern "bugger off, mate". If that doesn't send the message then you know you've got an incident worth reporting on your hands. Some people really don't understand how much of a nuisance they're being until you make it clear.


Well, of course I'm trying to be polite. When I say these are customers, what I mean is they are clients. They are the decision makers at the businesses I am calling on as a sales rep. These are people I have business relationships with, so I can't just tell them to "bugger off."


I've found that calling people out on inappropriate behavior can throw them off balance enough to apologize and backtrack. It has to be done carefully and with confidence. The goal is to make them embarrassed and self-conscious about their own behavior, like if they were called out for talking during a movie.

You could try something like, "I'm sorry, but this is really inappropriate." or "If you can't maintain a professional relationship then I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop you as a client (or get someone else assigned to your case)."


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17 Feb 2016, 1:05 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
As the creep is talking, just casually reach up and start picking your nose. Bonus points if you stare him in the eye while doing it.


I have tried belching loudly in front of guys I was trying to deter and it only made them like me more, so this could backfire. :lol:

This wouldn't be great for her client relationship anyway.


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17 Feb 2016, 1:07 pm

TentofMot wrote:
I can't talk longer because I work to attend to/another customer appointment.
Sorry, I keep business contacts professional only.
Thankyou, but to prevent favortism I don't accept gifts from clients.


I love the second one. The first is okay, but unfortunately it leaves the door open so they think they CAN talk to you about this stuff, just not at the moment.


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17 Feb 2016, 3:41 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
As the creep is talking, just casually reach up and start picking your nose. Bonus points if you stare him in the eye while doing it.


LOL, actually some of these guys have done exactly that while they were talking to me. I have a feeling if I did the same they would probably like it.