I'm sick of the men on WP.

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It's usually 1 person in particular. I think you know who I'm talking about though.

This isn't a discussion about women though. It's just hate speech & a few reasonable posts in between.

FWIW I'm sick of us too because we have this disturbingly intense gender gap thing going on.

I tend to cut the guys a bit of slack because I was horribly bitter in my worst bouts of depression. I lost a few friends during that time.

But I want them to know that if can get better. I can't believe how much better my life is now.

And I will emphasise again. I went to the Dr about my depression and got help. I also looked for a new job and a new place to live. I didn't stagnate.

I post for the lurkers who aren't arguing that nothing will get better and everything is hopeless. The ones who click on the threads because they relate. You don't know who is out there following along and paying attention to the positive arguments and the encouragement to keep striving and not give up.

My understanding is threads like this are why there’s no men’s section.
This isn’t suppose to be a section to attack men on the site where they not suppose to respond, it’s been used for such a few times.
Imagine if there was a a men’s section women were told not to post in and it was used to push attack in women knowning they can’t respond. This post seems to belong more in haven.

Still glad glad to see how others think of me now I know the truth

What do you plan to do about it?

I’m just glad I’m already in a loving relationship with a girl. Her name is iPad

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Alrighty, I forgot about this thread for a hot minute, but now I'm back.

First, I find the title of this post sexist, and I would've changed it had Alex not gotten here before me.

Secondly, as to the "bigotry against incels" thread, I'm allowing it to stand because 1) there's an ongoing question of what exactly constitutes an "incel," which is a perfectly legitimate thing to wonder, and 2) despite the unfortunate title, an actual conversation regarding society's perception and treatment of men unlucky in love.

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Meh.

So much vitriol here, but I admit that much of how you (women) feel and what you say is inarguable. Men are primarily responsible for what's gone awry in this world. Skimming the male responses is embarrassing, as a group, men have no basis for their whimpering about women, we have a lot to make up for. I would ask one favor of the women here to please not throw us all into the same bucket.

I made a thread about this..

Maybe this will explain something. Judging from what women say, guys like me should simply go away. I don't really have the energy to read much farther into this, I'm trying to save some of that for people who actually know me.

It is more difficult to take the advice on dating of someone that is so conventionally handsome

I think guys here are somewhat sick of ourselves since we usually have no one to talk to; we have to cross over to the Women's section to have any reasonable discussion about this.

I think if this were a neurotypical group, perhaps that would be expected. Personally, I say do what works for you to be a healthy person, assuming you know what that is. What other people do to label behavior as manly or womanly really seems fairly artificial to me most times, and even somethings that might seem sort of fitting along that lines is always broken by individual traits that don't fit and that don't match expectations. I think we all have some feeling of not matching expectations in some way and that we should be considered as individuals, rather than lumped into a group of deviancy from the norm and pointed to as 'defective' rather than just being different, but not broken. Gender norms vary by society. I think perhaps the younger of us haven't learned the value of becoming more flexible in thought, speech and behavior that people need for healthiness in the long run and come to wisdom in realizing that the world is not really filled with absolutes but generalities that are not rules of law but helpful tools that we recognize aren't good in all situations (there are things that will break the rules and rather than fighting it, just accepting it). Also there is the reality that sometimes we may be capable of wisdom but not always. No one is perfect, nor should we expect it. We can strive to do the best we can, when we can but realize that we will fail along the way, accept it, acknowledge it and try not to repeat it but also recognize that we may have long standing flaws that we will need to work on, which in itself is a balancing act...to be good enough but also improvable both states existing at the same time. We each have different experiences, different realities and different truths but we also have common experiences, realities and truths and the ones we share with each other may vary in composition as we relate to different individuals at a time. When expressing a truth of your own, before sending it out there to everyone else, maybe you can try to look at it from someone else's point of view and say what would others generally take from what I said and if it seems more destructive than constructive, reframe it in such a way that it is more constructive.

I tend to run on, apologies for the length and if I appear to be heavy-handed.

Some people call it hate speech and say they are being attacked. I think it is inspired.

Hilarious.

I didn't say I felt attacked, I basically just meant this thread is crass & not necessary. I'm well aware that trying to stop hate speech online is like dumping matches on an oil fire.

Is it me or are you saying only one side is welcome at a time?