the treatment of women on wrongplanet

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i hope you guys realise that all the personal attacks directed at me for having the temerity to even bring up this subject are proving my point (and the necessity of having this discussion) better than my OP did.

I already did explain how they are not parallels. In case reading what you just responded to is too much trouble, there is no subforum on here titled "Race Relations". There is a subforum titled "Love and Dating" which is about gender relations. Love and Dating includes straight and gay; don't cry heterosexism on me.

And since you started the thread, the onus is on you to cite examples of the sexism claims you are making. The only claim I'm making is that your idea isn't going to work, and will only make things worse. I'm not sure how citing "examples" will do any good, especially since you want justice and not an actual explanation of anything.

Even without this initiative, women are rising in the world. In order to continue to succeed, I believe, they must take the beliefs of misogynists with a grain of salt. Slough them off. Show disrespect for them by disregarding them, rather than become all discombobulated by them. Let them die a merciful death, like the evil witch in "The Wizard of Oz."

Men must slough off what women say as well during the "gender wars."

This is becoming old hat, fast.

Men aren't always a paragon of virtue; neither are women.

I just did a survey on the ratio between women and men in an anonymous (but true) Attorney's Office.

It turns out that 21 of the newly hired attorneys are women; versus 11 for men.

I believe that within 20 years, the Patriarchy will be no more--only an historical appendage.

Now....why can't we all just get along?

Well, I vote for pretending Mindslave doesn't exist.

Strangely enough, I speak my mind in person most of the time. Usually I don't discuss Internet forums in person. And I've never been punched in the face, mainly because unlike the Internet, most people aren't tough guys in person. Also, in person, most people I speak to are reasonable, and don't get offended by the slightest whiff of hypocrisy. And people listen in person. Also, in person, 5 or 6 people aren't speaking at once. Also, in person, people who speak to each other tend to have common ground. Also, in person, physical violence is frowned upon. Also, in person, I'm socially presentable. And in person, people don't always agree with me, but I don't speak to win the approval of others, so it doesn't bother me.

Guess what? I don't exist.

Go ahead. Make your change. It won't work, but try. Ideally, try something a little less dramatic then "Zero tolerance for sexism" because that's doomed to fail.

that's nice. move along now.

The website has a lot of heavy American influence. This intersects with other aspects and beliefs of American society in a complex way. You can't talk about this in isolation and be able to resolve issues and help to make things better with all. For instance, one of the issues of the autism debate is the fear of the abortion of autistic fetuses. In order to discuss this one has to be able to discuss abortion as well. Issues are a interwoven in a complex web of other issues. This is why I bring in American society and this is why I ask questions and bring in what you perceive as sideline topics to the discussion. Sticking to one topic in isolation does not give a proper perspective of things. For me it is very difficult to compartmentalize things in my head as some aspies and NTs seem to do.




So, because I want to attempt to try to use proper grammar and accurate wording you're going to bash me for it? Why? Why am I not allowed to attempt to use proper grammar and accurate wording. No, I'm not perfect but I do try and I do use some internet short hand like lol.



It is possible that maybe you guys are not intending to be sexist but the thing is but some of the women perceive that you are being sexist and they are hurt by it. Even if you intend no offense why can't you simply apologize and state that "I meant no offense and I did not know that this came across as sexist. I apologize."

How do you figure it won't work?

She and other women on here believe they have been wronged. Let's say she does fail, so what. At least she is trying to do something about it. We can't fix the rest of society's BS but at least it is more possible to fix our own backyard. She's leading the charge and you know what she has my utmost respect. She sees a wrong and she is fighting for what she believes. Sometimes, even against all odds one may have to do what is right and this is what she is doing. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do and draw that line in the sand and say no we won't put up with this.

I support making our little corner of the universe better and I say if she wants to try to do that I say go for it.

StarvingArtist, if you need assistance with anything and if I am able to and have time I will provide assistance.

I believe there are times when the sexist remarks are actually jokes, or at least have a satirical intent.

One remark creates a classic "snowball effect" leading to the dispensing of logic, and the preeminence of emotion.

Under the influence of this "preeminence of emotion," people of both genders make remarks which they might regret later.

I believe Alex is right in this instance. Let the fools show themselves to be fools. Just ignore them, slough them off.

Since the Patriarchy is going away anyway, why not just relegate the sexist remarks to the status of Absurdity?

In actuality, I don't believe most members of this are either misogynists or man-haters. Most of the time, I believe, as I stated above, the sexist remarks bear a satirical intent.

If StarvingArtist's campaign can help to make wrongplanet a becon of light in the darkness of our world then I'm all for her campaign.

In a world of darkness let us be light.

I support this wholeheartedly. I find it so hard to read through threads on here that have descended into petty name-calling and utter stubbornness on the part of certain members - and this thread was a real struggle. As Burke said: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
"Evil" might be a strong word for it, but the sentiment is still valid here.
Mindslave, Blockhead: you two really need to reassess your attitudes towards women, you're out of order even if you can't see it. I suspect that may be the problem in a lot of cases here, a moderator could at least point that out to the individual responsible. If they continue after that, then it becomes clear where the problem is.

and when the butt of your jokes (women) tell you over and over that your jokes aren't funny, you continue making them why? easy for you to say slough it off when you can come here and not feel threatened and hated for having a vagina. stop telling us to ignore sexism please, it hasn't been helpful as a tactic for the last 5 thousand years, i doubt it will be useful to "ignore it" in future. if all you have to say is "just ignore it", then please don't bother contributing to this thread, because it's not a useful suggestion--which is specifically what i asked for in my OP.

I am so glad I'm not alone on this. It is nice to see someone who sees it as I do.