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23 Jun 2024, 11:16 am

The great thing about forums like this that you can ask the OP what they were thinking.
I usually write for a specific audience, particularly on a forum like this where I have posted for a long time.
One doesn't write 7000 posts in a couple hours. Most of the real life women I know are in long term relationships. I generally don't assume that here.

Taylor Swift is my hero because she has overcome a lot of pressure from people trying to keep women in their place.
Yet again and again she has refused to back down and come out victorious!
Do people need genuine heroes like Taylor Swift. I think it helps me get through the day sometimes.
I know too much about sports to know those heroes aren't real. Like wrestling, is is about entertainment.
Sure, they train a lot and do amazing things. But the pressure isn't real in the big picture of things.



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23 Jun 2024, 11:20 am

It was just an observation I made on something I saw on tv

Some women have a house to keep a job to keep, kids to feed and clothe and run about hither and to and all kinds of added on stuff like that

That was it really


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23 Jun 2024, 11:27 am

BTDT wrote:
The great thing about forums like this that you can ask the OP what they were thinking.


I agree. That’s why I asked you to clarify what you meant.


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23 Jun 2024, 11:33 am

babybird wrote:
It was just an observation I made on something I saw on tv

Some women have a house to keep a job to keep, kids to feed and clothe and run about hither and to and all kinds of added on stuff like that

That was it really



Your comment was fine and made perfect sense.


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23 Jun 2024, 12:46 pm

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I think there's a lot of pressure on women sometimes

Sometimes I don't understand this.

Not the idea itself which I understand the point, but the literal experience of it.

I don't feel pressured as a woman.
Just as I don't feel anxiety on a regular basis as an autistic.


I was not pressured to be pretty and 'look' well put together. Was not pressured to only get feminine related interests.
Was not pressured to act lady-like. Was not pressured to have a boyfriend and not have sex before marriage. Was not pressured to get married and have kids.
Was not pressured to do domestic work. Was not pressured to compete with other females.

And I was not taught to be submissive nor be a someone tougher than a man or whatever.

I just use how my current culture treat women into an advantage.
Like, I get to pick what benefits me and ignore that doesn't. I can 'just' do that in ways other's don't or can't.

And my current culture is plenty sexist. Religious households more so, and everything to do with heterosexuality.

The most annoying sexist thing I'd get was people being more worried about me than I ever do myself.
But I can make do with that 'reaction', along with how being a woman makes socializing more predictable to me out of sheer convenience and data.


Heck, beyond that -- I was not pressured to work. I was not pressured to hold back and have someone else do the work for me, either.

That everyone around me seem to sense that I'm too asocial for such and such peg hole of a gender role.
Even that square hole of a living that they call 'a normal life'.



Gaslighting however...
To me, that just calls for being picky on who I should express things more than I already do.

Doctors and authority figures most especially...
I have zero tolerance for whatever dismissive outdated and close-minded shite they have.


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23 Jun 2024, 12:57 pm

I never felt pressure to be girly or do woman things either. I relate to the comment about pressure because statisically, women are more likely to be custodial single parents, and even if they stay with the kids' dad they're statistically more likely to be the primary caregiver. Most women work as well as providing for their kids. As we get older we're also more likely according to statistics to be caregivers for our aging parents. Men do a lot of work in their lives too and they have pressures different from ours but it seems like women are expected to multitask more than the traditional role for men who (sterotypically) went to work and paid the bills with few other burdens.

I'm not getting into saying women have it worse but that's how I took the comment about pressure. I didn't think it had anything to do with looks or beauty but I suppose for some women that's yet another consideration.


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23 Jun 2024, 1:22 pm

That's the thing, too -- with domestic and caring. I wasn't pressured for that, either.
Nor am coaxed. In my family, I'm freely asked and I can freely refuse.

Usually in families, usually the elder daughter gets to be the elderly parents' eventual caretakers.

I volunteered before I found out that is one of the many things that's being expected of me. :o



I understand the stats myself.
More so since my own mom's directly involved in out locale women's domestic affairs and living including populations of single parents.

Sometimes, this culture glorifies the bit around the conception and custody of children; their saying is that 'the mother always wins, because they always have the child'.

I always think this statement weird for reasons I couldn't pinpoint.
Also it implies privilege -- of having the mom's family support... Or that the individual mom has all that resilience and capacity.

Overestimation and depreciation because it's what's expected. But I sense there's more to it.

It just doesn't resonate any more or less since no one told me to have kids, get married, have a boyfriend, abstain, etc.
I only witness these things in front of me, and wouldn't want to live in it.



Which made me just be pickier over certain choices, really, in anything related to the dynamics of relationships and the works.

To avoid pitfalls and said pressures. :lol:



I can see the pressures of men, too, and how different it is.

And I imagined it to be more alien.
Because that's how I see it, almost literally sometimes, due to my upbringing.



In the end...

:lol: It validates my view of humanity and NTs even more.


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23 Jun 2024, 1:43 pm

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It just doesn't resonate any more or less since no one told me to have kids, get married, have a boyfriend, abstain, etc.
I only witness these things in front of me, and wouldn't want to live in it.



No one told me to date, get married, have kids, etc. either.

It's just that a lot of multitasking is involved.


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23 Jun 2024, 1:54 pm

My brother tried to pressure me into taking care of Mom, even though I moved across the country and he never moved out of the house! He even wanted to continue with the decision making! But not do the hard work!



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23 Jun 2024, 2:17 pm

I only have one sibling, an older brother. It's not because I'm a woman and he's a man, but I have more bedside manner and practical experience like changing diapers or bathing other people because I've had babies. Also my mother doesn't want a man including her grandsons to deal with her nudity (showers, dressing, toileting, doing up bras, etc.) I could say no but the alternative is to pay someone out of my eventual inheritance.

Even when my dad was dying I had more of those soft skills than my brother, because of parenting babies. For example I had to help nurses manually extract poop from his butt when he was severely constipated.

My brother has an adopted son and was a single dad for many years, but he missed the baby stage entirely, and I did all the rest of raising that boy.


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23 Jun 2024, 2:22 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
babybird wrote:
I think there's a lot of pressure on women sometimes

Sometimes I don't understand this.

Not the idea itself which I understand the point, but the literal experience of it.

I don't feel pressured as a woman.
Just as I don't feel anxiety on a regular basis as an autistic.


I was not pressured to be pretty and 'look' well put together. Was not pressured to only get feminine related interests.
Was not pressured to act lady-like. Was not pressured to have a boyfriend and not have sex before marriage. Was not pressured to get married and have kids.
Was not pressured to do domestic work. Was not pressured to compete with other females.

And I was not taught to be submissive nor be a someone tougher than a man or whatever.

I just use how my current culture treat women into an advantage.
Like, I get to pick what benefits me and ignore that doesn't. I can 'just' do that in ways other's don't or can't.

And my current culture is plenty sexist. Religious households more so, and everything to do with heterosexuality.

The most annoying sexist thing I'd get was people being more worried about me than I ever do myself.
But I can make do with that 'reaction', along with how being a woman makes socializing more predictable to me out of sheer convenience and data.


Heck, beyond that -- I was not pressured to work. I was not pressured to hold back and have someone else do the work for me, either.

That everyone around me seem to sense that I'm too asocial for such and such peg hole of a gender role.
Even that square hole of a living that they call 'a normal life'.



Gaslighting however...
To me, that just calls for being picky on who I should express things more than I already do.

Doctors and authority figures most especially...
I have zero tolerance for whatever dismissive outdated and close-minded shite they have.


I've never felt it either that's why I only just realised the pressures women are under when I saw something on television today

I can't even remember what it was I saw now


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23 Jun 2024, 7:00 pm

But isn't that big issue with autism? If a girl hits on an autistic guy and he doesn't notice, isn't that considered normal for autism? Does that mean the girl didn't actually hit on him?



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23 Jun 2024, 7:47 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
It just doesn't resonate any more or less since no one told me to have kids, get married, have a boyfriend, abstain, etc.
I only witness these things in front of me, and wouldn't want to live in it.



No one told me to date, get married, have kids, etc. either.

It's just that a lot of multitasking is involved.

I can't multitask for shite. :lol:

Balancing plates? Forget it, lol.
Even if I actually want a life of being able to live balancing plates -- I just can't.


Every transition and shifts is painful.
Everytime something is delegated to me while I'm already doing something, I won't remember it well or comprehend it well when it's on text.

Even if it's a part of a single task, it just costs me something.
Nothing to do with being a woman and society, that's just my work and daily living experience.

But I don't always have that problem all the time.
So I cannot exactly blame it all on autism, but more to do with my health and anything internal.


The biggest plate I have to balance is my fricking damn self.
This body, this mind, this neurology, this biology.
It's homeostasis, it's emotions, it's thoughts and feelings, it's senses and sensations.

It's like some sort of undiagnosed and untreated chronic illness that my autism happened to unable to ignore.
It hindered me and pressured me more than society ever did.

I wish I never had to deal with it, so I'd have more space dealing with anything beyond this particular aspect of life.


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23 Jun 2024, 9:19 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
I can't multitask for shite. :lol:

Balancing plates? Forget it, lol.
Even if I actually want a life of being able to live balancing plates -- I just can't.


Every transition and shifts is painful.
Everytime something is delegated to me while I'm already doing something, I won't remember it well or comprehend it well when it's on text.

Even if it's a part of a single task, it just costs me something.
Nothing to do with being a woman and society, that's just my work and daily living experience.




Same. I'm horrible at multitasking. Unfortunately I've had to do it anyway because I haven't had a choice raising the kids alone, working, and taking care of my parents. Maybe that's why I was so apt to speak up about the pressures women often face which have nothing to do with how we look, or what size our clothes might be. :lol:


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24 Jun 2024, 1:01 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
I can't multitask for shite. :lol:

Balancing plates? Forget it, lol.
Even if I actually want a life of being able to live balancing plates -- I just can't.


Every transition and shifts is painful.
Everytime something is delegated to me while I'm already doing something, I won't remember it well or comprehend it well when it's on text.

Even if it's a part of a single task, it just costs me something.
Nothing to do with being a woman and society, that's just my work and daily living experience.




Same. I'm horrible at multitasking. Unfortunately I've had to do it anyway because I haven't had a choice raising the kids alone, working, and taking care of my parents. Maybe that's why I was so apt to speak up about the pressures women often face which have nothing to do with how we look, or what size our clothes might be. :lol:


Sometimes, it feels as if the entire male gender does not even take these things into account. imho :roll:

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24 Jun 2024, 4:41 am

Yeah. ^

Some people think our biggest concern is our looks, our clothes, or trying to impress men.


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