Do you hate men because (you think) they are sexist?

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Well what do you know…I’m back in the game.

Well, now you've changed your stance, Dink.

So, according to you- I should be grateful of my female youth and cash in it for the next ten years? Dye my hair and knock on Hugh Heffner's door?

Then what, kill myself to ensure I don't live past "young adulthood?"

Come now. Any girl with half a brain is going to be aware enough to not even be able to enjoy that lifestyle while she has it. There's something to be said for knowing the future has any potential, and being able to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.

I'm so glad that I've dropped out from this argument, as it seems to be following the same, tired path that all gender-related discussions follow; the debate of who gets to shag more.

When will you guys realize that there are deeper issues than that? Like institutional oppression and basic biological facts, which make it virtually impossible for people of a certain gender to achieve certain things in their lives? Like rape and genital mutilation? Ritual humiliation and unequal laws? And how even those issues, which do not affect us directly, those issues faced by those of our gender, can affect us deeply... How it is possible to empathize with other women in their suffering and be driven into fits of anguish over the pure injustice of it all?

Women never wanted subjugation: it is simply the way things have always been. We evolved from apes, which were similar to chimpanzees, as in being completely male-dominated. Men are bigger and stronger and could always easily beat the females into submission if they wished, as is still often the case. And our ability to bear children limits us; weakens us and makes us easier to bring under control. If a man wishes to control a woman, he just has to get her pregnant and she will be forced into subservience, to care for her child. (I have testimony of men actually discussing this - their plans to dominate women using this method.)

It is the burden of being "the weaker sex", and it is something we have had to fight, every inch, to overcome. Heard of the suffragettes? We had to chain ourselves to railings and throw ourselves beneath racehorses just to get the right to vote!

Well what do you know…I’m back in the game.

Wow, and I thought that feminism was simply the belief that men and women should have equal rights and neither sex should be subjugated. But Aridarr, what makes you think that women(or at least most women)dont want to get pregnant? A LOT of women do. More often than not if a man and woman arent married and the woman gets pregnant, the man runs off(you know...the "deadbeat dad"). When women do get pregnant and have children they become very dependent. Men realize this and quite often try to Avoid the responsibility of providing for the woman and their child. Pregnancy is an indispensible part of human reproduction. How else would you and I exist if women Didnt get pregnant? If you dont wish to get pregnant, you Dont Have to! Because these days in the west we have abortion and birth control.

I wonder what feminists have to say about the Goth subculture......

I wonder what feminists have to say about the Goth subculture......

D1nk0, I don't want to fight but what do you have against femenists. I mean yeah, there's some feminists that go too far who I disagree with. The reason we had femenists was we wanted the right to vote and equal wage. If it weren't for these women, this opportunity probably would never have happened. We were the last ppl who got the right to vote.

I would really like to hear from you without you getting so angry. I feel like if men can gripe about women openly than so can women. But I don't know what guys have against femenists. I hear this often from men as if being a femenist is a bad thing. It sort of bothers me. Again, I know there are feminists out there that go too far. Just like racism and ppl playing the race card. Yet there still is racism that goes on. Take time to think about what I said before stating your opinions.

MissConstrue, Im actually not angry at you or anyone here. Although I disagree, I didnt mean to come across as being full of righteous anger. The last question I asked was a legit one.I was involved in the goth subculture for a number of years and what I really noticed is that it is very much dominated by WOmen. I once called it matriarchal . The thing is, gothgirls seem to reject a lot of feminists practices-for example goth girls aggressively flaunt their sexuality and engage in cosmetic practices which "old school" feminists reject and label misogynist(such as shaving: pits, legs, and pubes). What I object to is the righteous attitude that many feminists adopt-they speak and act as though they have a sense of entitlement and lash out at men who arent sympathetic and obsequious towards them. But earlier in this thread I commented on sexism towards men and I got an angry backlash. For example, I once read a quote by a more radical feminist author describing how america today is still patriarchal and hence american women who sleep with men and have an orgasm are indulging in women's oppression. Thats the sort of thing Im talking about.

I have several points:


1)NOT all women(or certainly plenty of (young)NT women) view womanhood as a disadvantage. 10 years ago, a girl who was then 20 told me straight up: women are more powerful than men .

2)Sexism goes Both Ways. Sexism against men certainly DOES exist and I dont see how its any more fair or acceptable than sexism against women.

Now I am not 'angry' at 'all women' per se; but (speaking personally) I AM angry with the way that many of them have treated me. Part of what fuels that anger is that they didnt treat other guys this way. I What I haven noticed over the long term about women(especially young women)is that they have been FAR more judgemental toward me than I am of them. Its like, women who are looking to pick on men just for being male have chosen me as a target whenever I come across them. I hope that explains bett where Im coming from.

This is my point: Life has been, since the beginning of time, more difficult for women. Not to say all men have it easy; just that, in general, life is quite f**king hard for my gender compared to yours. Just look at women in the Arab countries...

I don't expect men to be disgustingly obsequious; just that they acknowledge that and realize that there are worse forms of "sexism" than the petty insult game. Like being refused the right to vote and own property; things that we have endured for millenia. You don't realize how good you have it; that all you need put up with is bitching and sexist insults. Something that both sexes are guilty of, in equal measures

Do you live in the US too Aridarr? Im aware of how women are treated in Arab countries, BUT never having lived in a society like that-let along traveled to an arab country, I dont see much of that here. Now you keep invoking the historical treatment of women which to me seems like nitpicking because that was the Past, and the past is over and done with.
Why not focus on the here and now-by that I mean womens Contemporary issues as opposed to past grievances.
You seem to identify more with being a woman than being an aspie-how come? Ive found that its not uncommon for aspie women to complain about men-MUCH more so than NT women and I wonder why that is.

Last but NOT least-The more double standards there are for men and women(here in western culture) , or certainly the perpetuation of existing double standards only serves to perpetuate conflict and mistrust between men and women AFAIC.