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Are you pro-choice?
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25 Apr 2008, 8:45 am

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Pro-life.

IMO, no one has the right to kill a living being, whether it being born or un-born. A life is a life, and taking it away is murder. :evil:



What about the case where the fetus has a lethal genetic disease like Tay-Sachs? Or worse yet, what if it has anencephaly? Which BTW is a truly HORRIFIC birth defect where the baby's brain fails to develop and there's a gaping hole on the top of the head. I consider not aborting an anencephalic fetus to be inhuman since it will die shortly after birth and NEVER actually experience this world since no brain=no conscious thoughts or emotions.


I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.

I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday.



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25 Apr 2008, 9:25 am

Well serenity, that was your choice-and you made it yourself. But if I knocked a woman up and it turned out that the baby was anencephalic and this was discovered BEFORE the baby was due, I honestly dont think I could attend the birth because I'd be too horrified and disturbed to actually see my own child in a state like that.



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25 Apr 2008, 9:37 am

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I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.

I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday.


This is off the topic... but that was really strong and brave of you. I'm really impressed that you managed to do that. I think most women would take the easy way out so that they could mourn it without visual images of the child (which could be a good thing or a bad thing).


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25 Apr 2008, 9:56 am

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Well serenity, that was your choice-and you made it yourself. But if I knocked a woman up and it turned out that the baby was anencephalic and this was discovered BEFORE the baby was due, I honestly dont think I could attend the birth because I'd be too horrified and disturbed to actually see my own child in a state like that.


You're right. It was my choice, along with my husband who supported me fully. He openly mourned way more then I did, as I don't really know how to share the grieving process with others too well.

I am pro-choice, just because I think abortion should be a personal decision, even though there's not a situation that I'm aware of right now that would make me personally choose abortion. You never know what you'll do when faced with some tough decisions until you're in that situation.



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25 Apr 2008, 10:00 am

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I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.

I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday.


This is off the topic... but that was really strong and brave of you. I'm really impressed that you managed to do that. I think most women would take the easy way out so that they could mourn it without visual images of the child (which could be a good thing or a bad thing).


Thank you for the compliment. I really feel like there was no easy way out of this situation, so I made the best i could out of it.

Sometimes, life is hard.



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26 Apr 2008, 9:34 am

I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics :? . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent.



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26 Apr 2008, 9:51 am

D1nk0 wrote:
I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics :? . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent.


Me too, I am also against gender selective abortions, the mother wants a baby, but not a girl baby (This is a real issue in asian countries) BUT that personal decision is still none of my business, it's still the woman's call weither I like it or not.


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26 Apr 2008, 10:15 am

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D1nk0 wrote:
I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics :? . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent.


Me too, I am also against gender selective abortions, the mother wants a baby, but not a girl baby (This is a real issue in asian countries) BUT that personal decision is still none of my business, it's still the woman's call weither I like it or not.


Well you see, THAT is where I draw the line when it comes to choice. The thing about people is that we KNOW what they are capable of and what they Will do if they are given the chance. Perhaps the solution is to Restrict abortion or BLOCK prenatal testing for autism. Let me put it this way: I (tentatively)Support a womans right to choose whether or not she wants to have a child...but I DO NOT support a womans "right" to choose what kind of child she wants to have!



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27 Apr 2008, 10:30 am

Pro-choice. Hardest decision a woman will ever have to make, but she has to have the right to make it.

As far as I'm concerned, bringing a baby into this world when they won't have the opportunities they would have a few years later... without financial stability, a mother who's not yet studied properly, parents not yet ready, family in other countries, a lack of all the attention and love and everything it needs due to parents working so long hours in order to make ends meet... so many factors against it... is more unethical than having it and not giving it everything you should be giving it.

Abortion is NEVER an easy way out.


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27 Apr 2008, 12:00 pm

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Pro-choice. Hardest decision a woman will ever have to make, but she has to have the right to make it.

As far as I'm concerned, bringing a baby into this world when they won't have the opportunities they would have a few years later... without financial stability, a mother who's not yet studied properly, parents not yet ready, family in other countries, a lack of all the attention and love and everything it needs due to parents working so long hours in order to make ends meet... so many factors against it... is more unethical than having it and not giving it everything you should be giving it.

Abortion is NEVER an easy way out.



If she chooses not to have the baby cuz the baby has autism or there's a high likelyhood that it will, then she has made the Wrong choice AFAIC :evil: . Now Im not saying that abortion should be outlawed..........but its high time to put certain restrictions on it to prevent it from being used as a eugenics tool.



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27 Apr 2008, 1:00 pm

I didn't say anything about whether they're autistic or not, and I don't think there should/could be screening for autism anyway.

If the situation is wrong and the child won't have a good start in life due to the parents' circumstances at the time, then it's not fair to bring them into the world. Especially if the parents know that just a few years will make the world of difference to the child's chances, and decide to wait until then to have that child. If they have no money, nowhere to live, no family around, can barely support themselves, are about to start higher education, and won't be able to give the baby the love, support, and attention it'll need due to having to work every spare moment to put food on the table, then how is that fair?


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01 May 2008, 8:30 am

i'm pro-life



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01 May 2008, 11:44 am

I'm pro-life too. I don't think anyone in the world is anti-life, except maybe murderers and psychopaths.

However, I'm also strongly pro-choice too (definitely not anti-abortion). Obviously.


I find the use of words by the anti-abortion bunch really annoying.



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01 May 2008, 8:17 pm

I think an interesting case to think about is females who have a high likelihood of miscarriage (and know they have this condition).

From the point of view of the pro-lifer, if such a woman has sex, she is doing something which will put a life in danger - she knows that there is a high probability that as a result of her actions, an innocent will die. It seems comparable to drunk driving.

This seems ridiculous to me. I am pro-choice, and I would be interested to see how a pro-life person would respond to this.

Pro-lifers who believe the soul or identity arrives at conception should also consider this - embryos can divide to become twins up to 14 days into the pregnancy. Are twins the same person? Does the soul split? I would think most proponents of theories about souls would find this an unwelcome consequence.


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09 May 2008, 10:10 pm

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I am pro-choice, because it is the woman's personal choice to keep a fetus or not, pro-choice doesn't mean that everyone is going to get abortions, it means to have the choice to keep it.

I don't like anti-choice people, if I where pregnant, I can do what I want with my body, if you where to say "i'd keep it" then that's great! Get pregnant and keep it for yourself.

I get a kick out of the pro-life protesters, if I had a un-wated pregnancy, I would say "seeing as you want me to have the baby so much...here's an idea, you can have it" that will show them how I feel, how can they expect me to have a baby that I don't want if they are not prepared to take it either, it's like they are saying 'it your problem, deal with it', I also find it funny that concern for the fetus ends after it is born, what about the conditions that it may have to live in? Living with a mother that doesn't want it?

a fetus (1-4 months) is not a baby anyway, it's just a blob of flesh that can grow into a baby if left alone. It has no awareness.

I am not a fan of late-term abortion however, getting a abortion on a viable fetus is like killing a person because it can survive in a incubator and get adopted. There is no excuse for late-term abortions anyway... if you don't want it, get the abortion while the fetus isn't a person yet.

These are just my views however.


Well said! :wink:

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I completely agree with everything you just said!



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11 May 2008, 1:56 pm

I'm pro-life. I believe that extramarital sex is immoral and a very bad idea. I believe that people should not marry unless they are prepared to raise any babies that result from their union. Rapists should be imprisoned for life. Rape victims should receive counseling and arrangements should be made for their baby to be adopted by someone who wants it. If the mother has health problems and cannot carry the baby to term without risking her life, then the baby should be transferred to the womb of a surrogate mother. Every effort should be made to save both the mother and the baby.

I have come to realize that in our sex-crazed world, few people give a crap about my unrealistic beliefs, and most will just do whatever they want, and rationalize their actions in whichever way will let them get to sleep at night. All I can ultimately do is to control my own actions, and live my own life the best I can, according to my beliefs. I'm just a big ball of idealism and defeatism rolled into one.


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