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10 Sep 2015, 2:57 pm

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Manspreading bugs me, as do bags on seats etc.

A bag can be removed upon request, it is a commonly accepted courtesy and one often written on signs on public transport, how on earth do you request that a man just uses the leg room available for his seat and not invade your space, without it becoming a very awkward conversation... And nooo I do not want to see reproductive organs popping out of anywhere publically.


I usually avoid asking anyone to make room for me. What's more, I avoid sitting next to anyone; especially women, because I'm never sure any kind of proximity to them isn't a way of being a pervert.

I've had enough experiences of someone being mean to me, always with an attitude suggesting I have it coming, and much more, and I'm never sure I don't---in fact, retrospectively, now I know I certainly did in most cases I remember. I've never managed to stand up for myself; rather, they just naturally show they are the ones in a position to judge me, and I am the one at fault, for my weakness if not for anything else. Complaining seems pointless, as I'm not telling them anything new or interesting. I've learned to expect humiliating answers to remind me my place, boiling down to, "Of course I'm being mean to you. Are you so stupid you haven't yet realized I have no respect for you? If you want respect, have the balls to physically fight me, and prove you're stronger than me. You don't have the balls because you know I'd beat the crap out of you and humiliate you even more. Sucks to be you."


What country are you from Spiderpig? Urban or rural location?



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10 Sep 2015, 3:22 pm

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Are Aspies more likely to be misogynists than NTs? Or is this just how men really think? Makes me never want to speak to any ever again. :(

I can only speak for myself, but I like women way more than men, and they like me. Maybe some of these guys turn all people off, but they only notice it with women. And maybe their only means of socializing is through the internet, which could hardly be considered healthy. :? I don't get it, but a few of these guys do seem to be misogynists of the first order.


I too get along better with women, I even have more female than male friends I keep up with about our respective technology/scientific professions. As weird as I can be, I'm more approachable than those dudes seeking to keep all the knowledge gained thru their degrees sacrosanct. I've loved videogames my whole life, sadly I pretty much dropped that passtime upon seeing how one-sided, exclusory and nasty the online discourse can get.

Some of us are just incognito humanists.


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10 Sep 2015, 3:32 pm

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Are Aspies more likely to be misogynists than NTs? Or is this just how men really think? Makes me never want to speak to any ever again. :(


Dam, all these big words floating around I gotta google lol. I've noticed that a lot of the men (boys, maybe) have either suffered a lot of female rejection or just lack experience with females in general and they tend deflect their frustrations towards women. They tend to want to blame their lack of experience on female trait's or qualities or whatever you wanna call it.. It's always easier to blame someone else for something than it is to look with in for reason.

And no not all aspies are likely to be like that, it's probably just more of a phase one might go through IMO.



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10 Sep 2015, 3:36 pm

Whoops! Sorry ladies I honestly had no idea I was in the womens section :oops: *slowly tiptoes backwards out the door*



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10 Sep 2015, 4:25 pm

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Whoops! Sorry ladies I honestly had no idea I was in the womens section :oops: *slowly tiptoes backwards out the door*


It's ok, boys ARE allowed in here! :P



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10 Sep 2015, 8:45 pm

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I my opinion ASD men are less misogynist than the general population. It's a lot harder to hate on other groups when you're in a minority group. Some bitter people here might express some misogynist comments, but the amount that actually believe those convictions are very few. People say stupid stuff when they're really emotional. Being bitter towards your dating life does not equal true misogyny. Being misogynist is actively treating the female sex like they're inferior as much as possible.

People who have been discriminated and mistreated because they are different tend to be more accepting, especially if they endure it in childhood.

I get along plenty with women and people of all kinds.
Hell women tend to find me cute and adorable, on top of being helpful.

I just hate it when society over corrects and/or over reaches punishing a certain group explicitly for a minor issue.

Just like what happened today in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... ike-tinder


Yeah the 27 year old female barrister in England sent an invite to a 57 year old lawyer who responded by calling her picture stunning and remarking on how good she looks in it.
She responded by reaming him a new one over his sexist and objectification remarks (I only see him as being a tad inappropriate).
She then posted it on Twitter to rally the public to her cause.
She is going to regulatory board to get him disbarred from practicing law for good, his practice shut down and fined.
She might outright sue him in court.
She has also been appearing on TV programs in the UK, including BBC news.

She is claiming that LinkedIn is the new Tinder for straight men and she is calling all women to come support her.
you can follow it on twitter and/or post in the thread I made about it in current events.


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11 Sep 2015, 3:07 pm

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Yeah the 27 year old female barrister in England sent an invite to a 57 year old lawyer who responded by calling her picture stunning and remarking on how good she looks in it.
She responded by reaming him a new one over his sexist and objectification remarks (I only see him as being a tad inappropriate).
She then posted it on Twitter to rally the public to her cause.
She is going to regulatory board to get him disbarred from practicing law for good, his practice shut down and fined.
She might outright sue him in court.
She has also been appearing on TV programs in the UK, including BBC news.

She is claiming that LinkedIn is the new Tinder for straight men and she is calling all women to come support her.
you can follow it on twitter and/or post in the thread I made about it in current events.


That looks an awful lot like she planned to sue him all along and only sent him the invite to fish for some ridiculous excuse or other.


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11 Sep 2015, 8:16 pm

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Yeah the 27 year old female barrister in England sent an invite to a 57 year old lawyer who responded by calling her picture stunning and remarking on how good she looks in it.
She responded by reaming him a new one over his sexist and objectification remarks (I only see him as being a tad inappropriate).
She then posted it on Twitter to rally the public to her cause.
She is going to regulatory board to get him disbarred from practicing law for good, his practice shut down and fined.
She might outright sue him in court.
She has also been appearing on TV programs in the UK, including BBC news.

She is claiming that LinkedIn is the new Tinder for straight men and she is calling all women to come support her.
you can follow it on twitter and/or post in the thread I made about it in current events.


That looks an awful lot like she planned to sue him all along and only sent him the invite to fish for some ridiculous excuse or other.

They've never met...
She is pushing on with it with more and more women turning out to support her and bombarding all his known internet accounts.
His coworkers both male and female have come to his defense claiming he is not sexist or bad in anyway calling her out.
Though their integrity has been in called into question by her supporters for supporting this "sexist" guy.
The storm has only begun (even his daughter's name has been dragged in to this).

She's not backing down and is promising to make him and his family pay to the fullest extent possible.
She also has been spouting off about those who don't support her on this cause too.


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12 Sep 2015, 9:09 am

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I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.


They wouldn't need to, as they wouldn't be banned in the first place. WP is incredibly tolerant of guys who talk about women as if we're all insane, or evil, or objects to acquire, or all three. Something about letting people be stupid, I read somewhere. Cornflake himself, a moderator, once called me "princess" in a sarcastic, demeaning way.


Well WP is also very tolerant, apparently, as can be seen from this thread, of people calling others "terrible mysogynists" which is a gross personal attack of the vast number of the male population here. This thread isn't really in accordance with the rules, yet it stands.

What about that?


It's not a 'personal attack' if no specific members are singled out. It's attacking the ideas/beliefs littered throughout the sub-forums. So the thread is in accordance with the rules.


No - any behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members is against the rules, and here we have a whole thread designed for that purpose.

I wonder how long would stand a thread by the name of "So many terrible man haters on theis forum". An hour, 15 min perhaps? Before it would get reported.


It's not intended to provoke or belittle other members, just the behaviour of some of them, which is not against the rules. If you don't consider yourself to be misogynistic, it really shouldn't be a problem.


Sorry, missed this post.

Well, you called "so many" members of this forum "terrible misogyginists" and if that's not a personal attack/provocation/bellittling, then i don't know what is. And the fact that you didn't cite their names doesn't really negate the attack.

I know if I were a man and was called that, I would feel hurt. This forum is for men and women alike.



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12 Sep 2015, 9:31 am

Booyakasha wrote:
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I+ve never seen a man open 40 accounts just to bash women.


They wouldn't need to, as they wouldn't be banned in the first place. WP is incredibly tolerant of guys who talk about women as if we're all insane, or evil, or objects to acquire, or all three. Something about letting people be stupid, I read somewhere. Cornflake himself, a moderator, once called me "princess" in a sarcastic, demeaning way.


Well WP is also very tolerant, apparently, as can be seen from this thread, of people calling others "terrible mysogynists" which is a gross personal attack of the vast number of the male population here. This thread isn't really in accordance with the rules, yet it stands.

What about that?


It's not a 'personal attack' if no specific members are singled out. It's attacking the ideas/beliefs littered throughout the sub-forums. So the thread is in accordance with the rules.


No - any behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members is against the rules, and here we have a whole thread designed for that purpose.

I wonder how long would stand a thread by the name of "So many terrible man haters on theis forum". An hour, 15 min perhaps? Before it would get reported.


It's not intended to provoke or belittle other members, just the behaviour of some of them, which is not against the rules. If you don't consider yourself to be misogynistic, it really shouldn't be a problem.


Sorry, missed this post.

Well, you called "so many" members of this forum "terrible misogyginists" and if that's not a personal attack/provocation/bellittling, then i don't know what is. And the fact that you didn't cite their names doesn't really negate the attack.

I know if I were a man and was called that, I would feel hurt. This forum is for men and women alike.


Are you admitting to be a misogynist? Because that is the only way I can see that as an attack. I am a male and since I'm not a misogynist I don't feel I was attacked. Besides being tolerant of other peoples viewpoints does not mean you have to tolerate other peoples intolerance. There is nothing wrong with complaining about discrimination, bigotry or sexism.

Also personal attack means a person was attacked, not a viewpoint. Would you see "terrible anti-Semites" or "terrible bigots" as personal attacks too?



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12 Sep 2015, 9:42 am

I am only saying that this thread isn't in accordance with the rules, since mod team has been attacked as mysoginistic. I said, since this thread is standing, that claim isn't true.

That's my personal opinion as a mod here, whith which you're entitled to disagree of course.

The fact is that members of the forum shouldn't be attacked for their gender, religion but also their opinion. And yes, i see it as an attack, and no, I'm not a mysoginist. The problem is that rules aren't always straighforward and are open to interpretation as can be seen here.

I still claim that no member of this forum should be publicly called "terrible" for any reason whatsoever.



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12 Sep 2015, 9:47 am

I think the women on this forum probably take some of the comments which are obviously born out of frustration and depression too personally since the writer rarely qualifies it as NT females specifically when obviously somebody on the spectrum would have a different experience male or female. Being critical of the feminist ideas that are currently in vogue isn't misogynistic in my opinion, some people treat it more like a religion tho where you can't go against the established dogma lest you want to be cast out from society as some dirty evil misogynist mansplainer. Not a lot of wiggle room, not a lot of room for debate, extreme black and white thinking.

I hope I am not included in this population of 'terrible misogynists, if somebody is offended and wants me to qualify my post further or rebut it then that's fine. I don't think of myself as bitter too much towards other people, I hate myself far more than anyone else. Being a somewhat rational and logical person I am not unaware of what I bring to the table and I get it... It's not hard to understand why people don't like me or what to have relationships with me given that the vast majority of people do not share my disability. Unfortunately we don't get to pick our bodies or the circumstances of our birth and upbringing but life is long and hard, I don't think some members here appreciate the depth of the loneliness and isolation of some on the spectrum and that has to channel somewhere.



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12 Sep 2015, 10:01 am

If the generalization in the title of this thread is in opposition to forum rules, then so is every thread that begins, "Why are women so ..." and every comment that reads, "women are ..." There is misogyny on this forum.
And the member who was referenced as generating a lot of work for the mods certainly doesn't represent women in general on this forum. Whereas, the misogynist comments seem to be more widespread.
Not that all men on this forum are like this, if they were, I wouldn't come here.



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12 Sep 2015, 10:05 am

yep, but our duty is to protect members of this forum. the title says "terrible mysoginists on this forum" and thus it has made it an attack towards the members of this forum.

Btw, if anyone sees mysogynistic posts/threads, please report them. There are only a few of us and we don't have time or resources to check every post and thread.



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12 Sep 2015, 10:47 am

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yep, but our duty is to protect members of this forum. the title says "terrible misogynists" on this forum and thus it has made it an attack towards the members of this forum. Besides I've seen so many threads attacking NT's and some and the moderators hardly ever say anything.

Btw, if anyone sees mysogynistic posts/threads, please report them. There are only a few of us and we don't have time or resources to check every post and thread.


Is misogyny not terrible? If you want us to report misogynistic threads than why is it a problem to complain about it? If the post was "why is there so much misogyny on this site" would it be fine then? Because if so then you are really just splitting hairs here. Again the only people that should be offended are the people who belittle women. Also this thread is not attacking anyone for their view, it is attacking the viewpoint itself. You are just flat out wrong.

Besides moderators hardly ever say anything about people bashing others on here for self diagnosing, or about threads that bash NT's. Saying this thread is a personal attack is a joke. This thread hasn't even gotten that heated, so why is there a focus on it?

And yes I know I'm entitled to my opinion. That is such a pointless statement. It's like when someone responds by saying "that's your opinion." Of course it is or else I wouldn't be saying it.



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12 Sep 2015, 11:13 am

I said what meant, i won't repeat myself any more.