Why does society make it so much work to be a woman?!

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I've actually been called unattractive. Many times starting from about the age of 5. Even while dressed up with makeup and hair done I've been called unattractive.

Yes, I mean too many tattoos and piercings. I've seen beautiful women go overboard with the piercings and tattoos. It totally ruins their look. A good example of this is Paris Jackson. She was a very beautiful girl. She's now ruined her beauty a bit with the tatoos, bad hair cut, and piercings.

I have quite a few scars from cutting/scratching/harming myself from the ages of 8 until my 20s but it doesn't matter because I'm already unattractive. I would have never hurt myself like this if I looked better. I've totally dissociated from my physical self. I no longer self mutilate because it isn't socially acceptable but I'm still just as capable of hurting myself. I abhor my physical self.

I'm just saying don't waste your pretty. It sounds to me as if you're just choosing to dress poorly but you're not actually unattractive. Now if people are calling you unattractive while dressed up with makeup then that's another issue. Dress up for you though. Being attractive is an asset that doesn't last forever so I do hate seeing young girls/women waste it. It's something I wish I could have had.

Because companies like to make big bucks off of your insecurities. They also do the same with men in regards to them having muscles and being better providers. Stop being a walking zombie and estrange from your gender role, OP. You are the maker of your own destiny and the majority is pretty dumb.

I have actually had great ease with being a female, so far. The only trouble I have had was sometimes men don't listen to me when I discuss technology on university projects. But that soon came to an end when I taught a bunch of people from my class how to understand C# syntax. I even have seen people cheat by logging into my virtual machine on a shared class server trying to steal a sh***y active directory script. (I looked at the history window not many students seemed to know existed.)

Gender is blown out of proportion now, thanks to social media stupidity/hysteria. And also people who discriminate, who are also fools who slip into fallacy often.

The "no makeup" looks often takes more work than the make up look. I discovered this when I decided to try to cover up a mark on my face. I went to buy something to cover it. The first thing that came up was, do I use foundation, concealer, base? I have no idea. I don't even know what these things are. I bought some liquid foundation at the drug store, but the color was completely wrong on my skin...apparently makeup oxidizes on contact with air and turns a color other than what it appears to be in the bottle. So I ended up going to one of the high end makeup counters at the department store. Now matching makeup to skin is like paint matching without a machine, and often, as with the case of portrait painting, multiple shades apparently have to be mixed in a specific way. At some point the lady at this counter determined their products were too thin for my purposes, and directed me to a more high end makeup counter. At this counter, the lady was able to find a single shade that matched my skin relatively closely, however not close enough to not apply all over my face. When I informed her that I did not want to wear makeup all over my face, and just wanted to cover up the mark on my face, she responded as if I wished to do the impossible, and told me as much.

I bought the makeup anyway (concealer), to the price of $35 for a small vial, and went home to experiment with it. Aside from the fact that it didn't quite match my skin, I discovered that it had a tendency to stick to the peach fuzz on my face, making it stand out even more. It also had a tendency to accentuate any dry skin, so to make it look halfway decent, I had to first apply moisturizer. Apparently one cannot just use any moisturizer on one's face with any guarantee that it will not look excessively greasy or cause break outs or an allergic reaction, and so if one wants reassurance these things won't happen, one must purchase face moisturizer (conveniently more expensive than hand moisturizer).

It's at this point that I discovered that makeup and moisturizer don't always mix well. Further more, when this concoction dried, the pigment from the makeup had a tendency to settle into the fine lines on my skin, making them visible from a good few feet away.

In the end, I as I refused to slather makeup all over my face, I was really just trading a skin colored mark for a poorly concealed different shade of skin colored mark, with peach fuzz and accentuated fine lines, and decided to forget the whole thing and wash the make up off....apparently though this stuff sticks like glue and so one must purchase makeup remover to exorcise it from one's skin.

All in all I spent about 3 hours on this attempt to conceal a mark. It made me realize how much time most women spend trying to look good with makeup while looking like they are not wearing makeup.

I much prefer no makeup.

I like marks which look like chocolate stains

For the guys posting in this thread thinking they are being helpful by telling us they don't think we need to wear makeup: check out the skit from Inside Amy Schumer called "Girl, you don't need makeup" (I can't find a youtube for it so you will have to look on the ComedyCentral site if you are in the US.) This joke video might help you understand why you telling us how we don't need makeup to impress you is not as helpful as you think it is.

Good one wilburforce...it is on youtube, here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyeTJVU4wVo

I don't see much difference between telling a woman she doesn't need makeup, and telling her that she does.

To be honest, this has been true in my experience too. Most of the unpleasant comments I've gotten about my appearance have been from women.

I've heard more negative comments about my appearance from other females than from males. However...I've heard men criticize equally as much, or MORE, the appearance of women who were not there to hear it, and did so in much more cruel ways. Which made me think men just do it behind our backs more.

Some women look better in makeup; other times, they look the same as without makeup.

I feel sort of guilty that I don't take as much time as many women making myself look ok.

Many women aren't too fussy, and don't mind that I don't take that long. I'm not that fussy, either.

I'd prefer a nice, unadorned woman over a not-so-nice made-up woman any day.

The problem with men telling women whether they "need" makeup is that it assumes makeup is worn for men's pleasure. I wear makeup because I like the way it looks. I don't care if random men prefer I wear or not wear it, and I don't care whether they like a natural look or not. It's none of their business.

If you make up only for your own pleasure, you shouldn’t blame “society”, let alone men, for “making it so much work to be a woman”, as the title says.

Perhaps the Women's Discussion forum is not the place for you to be posting your opinions on women and makeup and how we should feel about makeup.

I’m not interested in speaking with you, thanks.

Then feel free to leave this thread I was participating in in the Women's Discussion forum before you arrived with your persistent negativity. You did start posting in it right after one of my comments--are you following me around the forum and then asking me not to talk to you? Because that is messed up, if that's what you're doing.

I'm not interested in speaking with you, thanks.