16 Aug 2018, 10:18 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn't actually say that. It would be absurd if I thought anybody here was stating that "all men are rapists." I don't think that.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
Most female feminists appreciate male feminists. I saw a man wearing a pink tee shirt that said “feminist” the other day, and I thought it was sexy, but that’s another story.
16 Aug 2018, 10:23 am
16 Aug 2018, 10:25 am
16 Aug 2018, 10:25 am
Twilightprincess wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn't actually say that. It would be absurd if I thought anybody here was stating that "all men are rapists." I don't think that.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
Most female feminists appreciate male feminists. I saw a man wearing a pink tee shirt that said “feminist” the other day, and I thought it was sexy, but that’s another story.
Men who wear pink shirts here get ridiculed a bit for being poofs, but that's really a jokey pub macho man thing. There is no hostility to gay people here.
16 Aug 2018, 10:28 am
Tequila wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn't actually say that. It would be absurd if I thought anybody here was stating that "all men are rapists." I don't think that.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
Most female feminists appreciate male feminists. I saw a man wearing a pink tee shirt that said “feminist” the other day, and I thought it was sexy, but that’s another story.
Men who wear pink shirts here get ridiculed a bit for being poofs, but that's really a jokey pub macho man thing. There is no hostility to gay people here.
I know straight men who wear pink.
It’s cool that there’s no hostility to gay people there. I wish that was the case here...
16 Aug 2018, 10:29 am
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16 Aug 2018, 11:52 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
I understand rape pretty well----I was forcibly molested by a man once. Not "raped" or "sodomized" because there was no penetration. But it certainly felt like it.
I'm sorry you went through that Kraftie. Being molested is a horrible thing. Men often don't talk about it. Especially rape. It makes us feel weak, like we failed as a man to defend ourselves. Our dignity and pride taken from us
16 Aug 2018, 12:40 pm
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16 Aug 2018, 5:20 pm
Tequila wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn't actually say that. It would be absurd if I thought anybody here was stating that "all men are rapists." I don't think that.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
All I said is that those of our gender who do not profess these things should not be assumed to be the allies of those who do profess these things. I have encountered this sort of thing in the past.
And I'm not saying that you think this. I'm just making a statement.
In history, there have been movements which excluded allies who were not of their gender/ethnic group/race, etc. One example is the Black Nationalist movement. They were under the assumption that, by virtue of a person being white, that that person is automatically the Oppressor. Hence, they can never be "allies." Only the enemy.
I have encountered those who believe that I, by virtue of being male, are automatically a part of the "Patriarchy" which inevitably oppresses women.
I do believe any "women's movement" should have leaders who are women. And any "Black" movement should have leaders who are black. But I don't believe this precludes people who are not women or black from being allies in the fight.
Remember: I'm just making a statement.
Most female feminists appreciate male feminists. I saw a man wearing a pink tee shirt that said “feminist” the other day, and I thought it was sexy, but that’s another story.
Men who wear pink shirts here get ridiculed a bit for being poofs, but that's really a jokey pub macho man thing. There is no hostility to gay people here.
Do you understand that if there is a gay person within earshot and they hear you mock a straight person for "looking like a poof", they hear that as hostility towards themselves? They internalise that as negative, and they feel shamed. It's certainly not welcoming to gay people to "ridicule" people "for being poofs".
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