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21 Dec 2018, 12:24 pm

Men are welcome in this subforum, it's normal that a thread of this type would have many male responses. If a person switched 'men' for 'women' in the topic, I would anticipate an emotional response from many female WP members.
The responses are largely calmer from the chaps than I would have expected.
Also using the term 'some men' would have been more accurate.



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21 Dec 2018, 2:53 pm

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See how guys get shamed over our biology constantly? I rest my case. Either this thread is a joke or it's just about hating the majority of us. Peace.
Did you post in this thread to inform and enlighten, or did you post in this thread to troll and insult?



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21 Dec 2018, 3:30 pm

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What I take objection to is straight blokes reading women complaining about breast pain or period pain and responding by talking about how sexy women's vaginas and breasts are.

I do not read period pain type threads but if that is the response they are getting it is clearly inappropriate and needs to be reported to the moderators.


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21 Dec 2018, 3:44 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
TUF wrote:
What I take objection to is straight blokes reading women complaining about breast pain or period pain and responding by talking about how sexy women's vaginas and breasts are.

I do not read period pain type threads but if that is the response they are getting it is clearly inappropriate and needs to be reported to the moderators.


I don't take objection to men reading these threads. I want men to understand what women deal with. I want you to know why we are grimacing whilst we grit out teeth and do our jobs.

I read an experience on Quora of a woman who had to explain to her boss that women can't choose when they have their period. It just happens. They can't control it. No one had ever taught him otherwise. He though women were slacking off on company time with excessive toilet trips. He was from a generation that didnt discuss that stuff.

We need to be more open and understand each other.



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21 Dec 2018, 3:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
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See how guys get shamed over our biology constantly? I rest my case. Either this thread is a joke or it's just about hating the majority of us. Peace.
Did you post in this thread to inform and enlighten, or did you post in this thread to troll and insult?


Why don't you ask OP? I posted my thoughts, nothing more & nothing less.

Now I'm leaving because the sexist animosity against shy dudes is becoming nauseating.


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21 Dec 2018, 3:58 pm

All I got out of this thread was what I get out of all the gender threads: men whine and complain, women whine and complain, we all hate each other, and we should all leave. These threads could all be consolidated into one called: Complain About the Opposite Sex. Unfortunately, there'd only be a few dozen other threads on the site left...



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21 Dec 2018, 4:52 pm

I didn't express hate towards anybody. Speak for yourself.


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21 Dec 2018, 11:21 pm

Taradine wrote:
a lot of testosterone in this thread.


what's this subforum called again?

It would be unreasonable to create a thread on any subforum called "I've had a gutful of the women on WP" and expect women to not respond to it with their objections. The same is true in reverse, doesn't matter if it's the women's section, if you're going to single out an entire gender and say that you're sick of them, it's unreasonable to expect members of that gender not to respond.



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22 Dec 2018, 4:43 pm

Taradine wrote:
a lot of testosterone in this thread.



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22 Dec 2018, 5:39 pm

At times I have had enough of the ASD elitists on WP.
I've had enough of the self proclaimed 'high IQ' people who like to make others feel stupid.
I've had enough of people who think NTs are an evil master race.
I've had enough of people who have completely black and white thinking and won't allow that things can be different from the way they see them.
So I may have a rant about it, then I feel better.
I don't see how that's any different to anyone having an occasional rant about men or women.
Sometimes you just get fed up and need to vent, that's life, get over it.


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22 Dec 2018, 8:35 pm

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I think the issue is that those who have the hardest time are also the most outspoken. The men on Wrong Planet with a healthy dating life aren’t posting as much in the love and dating forum.

Also every time I try to give good advice that actually works, I notice other guys who don’t have much experience dating will be quick to contradict my useful advice which makes me worry that others may be confused.


Gender topics for men and women are at times confusing and should be treated with respect not hostility.
In a forum this size, you can expect people to be outspoken about their off gender types and typical values and you also find the same people starting similar topics, which then downplays itself into an unpopular argument.
The people who report it are probably relishing the drama either they or their friends have created.
Banning more users who are like this, will attract more impartial contributors from all over continents. Its what sort of people you want joining.



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23 Dec 2018, 11:19 am

PearlsofWisdom wrote:
... The people who report it are probably relishing the drama either they or their friends have created. Banning more users who are like this, will attract more impartial contributors from all over continents. Its what sort of people you want joining.
Ah, but how do you differential between those who post their REAL problems and are seeking advice from those who seem more interested in acquiring attention and people to argue with and/or blame for their problems?



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24 Dec 2018, 8:10 am

Fnord wrote:
PearlsofWisdom wrote:
... The people who report it are probably relishing the drama either they or their friends have created. Banning more users who are like this, will attract more impartial contributors from all over continents. Its what sort of people you want joining.
Ah, but how do you differential between those who post their REAL problems and are seeking advice from those who seem more interested in acquiring attention and people to argue with and/or blame for their problems?

A simple litmus test would be to see how they respond to mounds of reasonable advice. If they indicate that they're willing to change certain aspects of their life, approaches, things that aren't working, and demonstrate that they're open to implementing some of the advice that is applicable to them, and maybe give reasons as to why other advice offered won't work for them or isn't as applicable, they're part of the first group. If they're constantly shutting down any and every piece of advice offered by everyone (or just not replying to good advice), display no evidence that they're willing to change anything they're doing yet somehow hope their problems will be magically solved, and continue to revel in their own problems and spout endless pessimism in spite of good advice being given that they're choosing to ignore, they're group 2.



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24 Dec 2018, 11:14 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Fnord wrote:
PearlsofWisdom wrote:
... The people who report it are probably relishing the drama either they or their friends have created. Banning more users who are like this, will attract more impartial contributors from all over continents. Its what sort of people you want joining.
Ah, but how do you differential between those who post their REAL problems and are seeking advice from those who seem more interested in acquiring attention and people to argue with and/or blame for their problems?
A simple litmus test would be to see how they respond to mounds of reasonable advice. If they indicate that they're willing to change certain aspects of their life, approaches, things that aren't working, and demonstrate that they're open to implementing some of the advice that is applicable to them, and maybe give reasons as to why other advice offered won't work for them or isn't as applicable, they're part of the first group. If they're constantly shutting down any and every piece of advice offered by everyone (or just not replying to good advice), display no evidence that they're willing to change anything they're doing yet somehow hope their problems will be magically solved, and continue to revel in their own problems and spout endless pessimism in spite of good advice being given that they're choosing to ignore, they're group 2.
I see nothing invalid with your logic.

However, the application of your logic means observing the members' responses over the long term -- sometimes two years or more -- while enduring their spamming, derailments of multiple threads, and occasional suicide threats, which always seem to evaporate once the members receive enough attention and affirmation. Then the cycle starts all over again.



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24 Dec 2018, 11:18 am

It does get frustrating at times.

What lessens it somewhat is that, many times, people can see that the advice was valid—once they are out of the “line of fire,” so to speak.

What I thought of as ridiculous at 17, I found quite useful at 27.



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24 Dec 2018, 2:29 pm

Most advice isn’t valid.