Pro-choice or not(Women only)

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What about those of us in long-term relationships with the only person we've ever slept with, and the intention of getting married later on? I'm in that situation and don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with it at all - we're in love, we make love, we take care of each other, and we intend to spend our lives together. So what if we're not actually married yet?

You can't really say counseling would help at all because you can't know how it would feel to be a victim unless it has happened to you, no two women are the same, the counseling could help some, but others may reject it, if a woman 'really' dosn't want to carry the child, there is nothing you can do, being pregnant requires life-style changes and some women feel that they should not have to go through, body changes, labor, and birth just because some mad-man wanted a thrill.

The thought of a woman being forced to carry a fetus as a result of rape is almost saying that we are just baby containers and how we feel about the situation dosn't matter.

I would never want to carry a child as a result of rape, chances are the counseling would not help me.

But here is a situation that I have not seen on this thread yet.... lets say the counseling helped the victim and she decides to give it up for adoption, how would the couple feel knowing that the baby they where adopting was a result of rape?

I wouldn't be able to carry a child born out of rape. The idea of bringing the product of such a violent, revolting, despicable act into the world makes me shudder... I couldn't do it.

I did mention that I consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral and a bad idea. Immoral because it is forbidden by my religion. A bad idea for a host of other quite practical reasons that you can learn about in any abstinence education class, not the least of which being an unforeseen pregnancy that you're ill-prepared for. If you want to delay marriage until later on, I recommend delaying the sex, too. In fact, I highly recommend not having sex at all with anybody, even when you are married to them, unless you're willing to actually have that person's babies immediately. I don't know why I bother posting in these threads. It's not as if anybody's going to want to actually take my relationship advice.

Perhaps a surrogate mother could be found to carry the baby to term, and then give it up for adoption, in cases where the rape victim was unwilling to go through that. I honestly don't see why adopting the child of a rape victim would be such a horrible thing. If the child is raised by a loving family in a stable environment, there's no reason they couldn't become a wonderful person. It strikes me as extremely unfair that an unborn baby should be regarded as worthless just because their dad was a horrible person.

I don't see why it would be a horrible thing either.... but I can see where concern can be in play when the time comes that the child begins to ask questions. I have no issues adopting a rape baby, but I am not sure what I would say if the child asks about it's biological parents.

I don't see what's so immoral though. Financially and logistically, us getting married now would be near impossible. So we want to wait until our circumstances have changed (plans for which are in the works) and it will be easier. I won't go into our situation but us getting married now would be totally impossible unless we eloped to Vegas or something. Which is probably the worst thing I can possibly think of and certainly not what I'd call 'getting married'! ! When the Bible was written people got married far younger and in less complicated circumstances than they do these days - I'm sure some allowance would be made for scenarios such as that which I'm living in! I definitely don't advocate sleeping around and multiple partners, though, I agree with you there. And I'm proud and totally happy with my decision to have waited until I met this man and knew he was 'the one' to do the deed... yes, so I was a lot older than most of my friends were and endured a bit of ridicule, but it was so worth the wait to have the one you know you'll spend your life with.

I'd have no problems adopting, but I couldn't have the child myself. I'm the sort of person who prefers ignoring things and not letting them get to me... I can't imagine having a reminder every day for 9 months, and then enduring even more pain at the end of it thanks to the bastard, and THEN having to give up my flesh and blood at the end of it...

That's called 'realism.' It's the beginning of honor.

I'm pro-life.

It makes me really sad that Obama is pro-choice, because he's the one I want to vote for due to his plans that could potentially revolutionize the way autistic people live.

I think both Obama and Clinton are pro-choice.

I didn't really feel that either of the options summed up my position, which is more complicated than a yes/no answer. I don't think that I could have an abortion (though since I'm both in a same sex relationship and on contraception for medical reasons, it's not a situation I'm likely to find myself in!). I think that a lot of abortions that happen are wrong. I don't think that most of the women who have abortions are morally justified in having them, but I do absolutely believe that they have a right to choose that outcome.

I think that the entire abortion argument hangs on whether one considers the foetus to be a human person or not - that is pretty much the only issue at stake. If you consider it to be a human person then it's murder. If it's not, then it's no big deal. Other arguments are secondary to this. My gut feeling is that that status comes at some point in pregnancy, but that it's impossible to define - a bit like the difference between a child and an adult. I don't believe that a ball of cells is a human person. Ultimately, the moments which are easiest to define are fertilisation, implantation and birth, but none of these is really satisfactory. At fertilisation it's just a cell, which the body may well decide to expell of its own accord without the woman even noticing. It's not much more than that at implantation. And yet by the time of birth it has clearly been a baby for a while - it's just in a different environment now. I think where I draw the line is probably this: at what point does it start to have a real experience of life? There isn't a straightforward answer to that, which is the issue I have. This is why I personally would prefer to err on the side of caution, and not take the risk of getting it wrong.

I cannot believe how many Americans base their votes on whether or not someone believes people should have the right to decide what happens to their own bodies or not, and throw all other issues and beliefs out the window because of it. They may as well not have any debates or declare their thoughts on anything else - why not just save the time and effort and have them all sit round a table and go "I'm against women having any say in what happens to their body", "I think women should have their own choice, as is only right - after all, if they don't believe in abortion they won't have one", "I really don't care", and then people can watch and vote for the person they like and away you go.

Certainly helps explain how you get the people you get leading...

I agree, a vote should not be based on whether or not someone believes people should have the right to decide what happens to their own bodies or not and then ignore other issues. It's someone elses body, not yours so why are you so concerned? Pro-choice is also the choice to keep it.

I just wrote a piece about pro life (even though I'm pro choice), and I do get both sides, I just agree with pro choice more. I think everybody who makes a conserval opinion should look at both sides.

Well, if you're anti-abortion then you won't have one anyway, so all it comes down to is people pushing their views on the rest of the population and forcing millions to suffer as a result.

I refuse to use the term 'pro-life' as it's simply another example of manipulative language to further an agenda. I think just about everyone in the world is pro-life, but not everyone is anti-abortion.