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18 Sep 2006, 5:20 am

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well i think that humans are subject to a great deal of programming.. some people who are more (super)conscious rise above that and can view themselves and the world from a 3rd person perspective... the rest are just unconscious..


Thinking of yourself as superior to others is a dangerous thing (consider the Nazis).

You might say that you can’t assume that others are conscious because you can’t look into there heads or ever truly know anyone, but for the same reasons how can you assume that they are unconscious? It is best just to assume their consciousness and treat everyone well. Besides that, what is the true meaning of consciousness anyway? How can one ever truly know if they themselves are conscious?



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18 Sep 2006, 5:43 am

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Thinking of yourself as superior to others is a dangerous thing (consider the Nazis).


it might be a dangerous thing, true.. but i am of the opinion that evolution is a truism(?).. those that survive are the fittest... if Nazi germany had indeed wiped out the rest of the world (which though improbable was certianly not impossible) then the world would now be populated by only their race (homo sapiens germanicus?).. if the muslim world succeeds in setting up their caliphate and exterminating everyone who isn't moslem, then only adherents of their religion would be left (interesting version of evolution, working on a mindset rather than physical characteristics) .. maybe homo stupidus islamofacisticus?

there is no wrong or right in this world... the universe is basically uncaring... sure.. 1 billion children (CHILDREN!) maybe killed or something, but are the planets or stars or galaxies going to stand still for a moment of silence? i think not

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You might say that you can’t assume that others are conscious because you can’t look into there heads or ever truly know anyone, but for the same reasons how can you assume that they are unconscious? It is best just to assume their consciousness and treat everyone well. Besides that, what is the true meaning of consciousness anyway? How can one ever truly know if they themselves are conscious?


well loads of people have no trouble at all in thinking that animals are unconscious and not self aware... anyways i'm just playing devils advocate here... my real belief is that consciousness comes in degrees... i myself remember the increasing awareness and consciousness in my own life as i was growing up

it's not unreasonable to assume that adults wind up with varying final levels of consciousness.... and for myself i think i have a super consciousness... in fact i think i'm GOD... humanity isn't even worthy to tie my shoelaces...!


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18 Sep 2006, 7:11 am

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It's quite possible to fantasise about making other people happy, you know...


Yes. But do you never fantasize about things being done to you?


I've never really thought about this before. It isn't possible to entirely separate her pleasure from mine... but I don't recall ever focusing on how it feels for me.

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Chocolate does nothing for me, nor does Benadryl make me able to sleep.


Well, in many ways that's a good thing. Chocolate is a particularly demoralizing habit because it offers comfort when we feel unloved, but then tends to make people fat, spotty and tooth-less so they're even less likely to attract someone to love them. I've been lucky 'cos I burn off the calories with worrying, nervous pacing and stimming :D

Serotonin-orientated drugs have never worked on me. Does Benadryl fit into that group?


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18 Sep 2006, 7:36 am

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and for myself i think i have a super consciousness... in fact i think i'm GOD... humanity isn't even worthy to tie my shoelaces...!

Do you really believe this or is this some sort of joke? How can you ever really judge your conciseness in compression to others if you can never really know what goes on inside their heads? This all sort of sounds like an arrogant way to rationalize doing, acting, or feeling whatever you want.



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18 Sep 2006, 2:21 pm

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Thinking of yourself as superior to others is a dangerous thing (consider the Nazis).


I think of myself as superior to most humans. I still would not want to wipe them out though... for much the same reason an ornithologist wouldn't want to wipe out the avian population.

What would I have to study? 8)



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18 Sep 2006, 2:27 pm

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I've never really thought about this before. It isn't possible to entirely separate her pleasure from mine... but I don't recall ever focusing on how it feels for me.


She never does things for you, in these fantasies?

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Well, in many ways that's a good thing. Chocolate is a particularly demoralizing habit because it offers comfort when we feel unloved, but then tends to make people fat, spotty and tooth-less so they're even less likely to attract someone to love them. I've been lucky 'cos I burn off the calories with worrying, nervous pacing and stimming :D

Serotonin-orientated drugs have never worked on me. Does Benadryl fit into that group?


To be honest, I am uncertain what effect antihistamines have on serotonin... but I do know that Benadryl it makes a lot of people sleepy when they take it. As for me, I may as well do without... both for antihistamine effect and sleepy side-effect. :P



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18 Sep 2006, 4:16 pm

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She never does things for you, in these fantasies?


Well, to qualify as a fantasy it would have to include some sexual content, otherwise it would simply be a daydream about, I dunno, talking to someone or walking down the street. But it's the MOTIVATION behind the sexuality that is the issue here - I look for acceptance, trust and love rather than for sexual kicks per se. To please someone is to be valued. To stand naked before someone is to be vulnerable, but on equal terms with their own vulnerability, and so intimacy equals absolute acceptance. I think about those feelings, and the physical feelings of warmth and closeness, rather than physical feelings resulting directly from sex itself.


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18 Sep 2006, 5:11 pm

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and for myself i think i have a super consciousness... in fact i think i'm GOD... humanity isn't even worthy to tie my shoelaces...!

Do you really believe this or is this some sort of joke? How can you ever really judge your conciseness in compression to others if you can never really know what goes on inside their heads? This all sort of sounds like an arrogant way to rationalize doing, acting, or feeling whatever you want.


well my life sucks, so i don't see why the lives of everyone else shouldn't suck as well!

i feel like i'm trapped in this cage... :P i hope my alien mothership comes soon to pick me up... :P if there was a button that wiped out humanity i'd press it lickety split... what has humanity ever done for me except made my life a misery... :P

why won't they just elect me president of the united states... i'd make this a better place.... yeah.. some nice ornamental plants here, a fireplace there... leather sofas over yonder by the 100 inch plasma screen... and the walls.. tut tut.. that dreadful white has to go... maybe pink... but not just any pink... PINGCK... or maybe DARCK BLACK...? nah too gothic


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18 Sep 2006, 9:47 pm

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well my life sucks, so i don't see why the lives of everyone else shouldn't suck as well!


This sort of attitude is possibly why your life sucks in the first place. The more people who feel this way the worse the world gets, the opposite is also true the more people who actually care about other people the better the world gets for us all. How can you expect other people to care about you and do things for you if you do not first care about them?



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19 Sep 2006, 12:23 am

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Hazelwudi wrote:
She never does things for you, in these fantasies?


Well, to qualify as a fantasy it would have to include some sexual content, otherwise it would simply be a daydream about, I dunno, talking to someone or walking down the street. But it's the MOTIVATION behind the sexuality that is the issue here - I look for acceptance, trust and love rather than for sexual kicks per se. To please someone is to be valued. To stand naked before someone is to be vulnerable, but on equal terms with their own vulnerability, and so intimacy equals absolute acceptance. I think about those feelings, and the physical feelings of warmth and closeness, rather than physical feelings resulting directly from sex itself.


Just don't fall into the trap of thinking you don't deserve good things because someone does not value you sufficiently. :)



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19 Sep 2006, 3:56 am

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hellznrg wrote:
well my life sucks, so i don't see why the lives of everyone else shouldn't suck as well!


This sort of attitude is possibly why your life sucks in the first place. The more people who feel this way the worse the world gets, the opposite is also true the more people who actually care about other people the better the world gets for us all. How can you expect other people to care about you and do things for you if you do not first care about them?


well your got it backwards... my life sucks in the first place, that's why i have this attitude... and it's the damnfangled NTs who are responsible... the future belongs to the Aspies... just look at the trends.. the rates of aspies occurances are increasing... soon humanity will evolve into something better.. homo aspergiens

it's time for REVOLUTION!! ! :evil:


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19 Sep 2006, 4:39 pm

No what I mean is other people think like you do and they make your life suck, then you end up thinking like that and you make someone else’s life suck, then that someone else will probably screw up another persons life possibly even the first person who did something to you originally. It is a vicious cycle of suckiness. However you do not have to let people turn you into someone like them. The world can only change one person at a time. Fight back against the tide of suckiness!! !



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19 Sep 2006, 9:25 pm

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No what I mean is other people think like you do and they make your life suck, then you end up thinking like that and you make someone else’s life suck, then that someone else will probably screw up another persons life possibly even the first person who did something to you originally. It is a vicious cycle of suckiness. However you do not have to let people turn you into someone like them. The world can only change one person at a time. Fight back against the tide of suckiness!! !


I've long since given up on stemming the "tide of suckiness" as you put it. Some people just flat-out suck, and they will always be handing out suckiness no matter what others do. So instead, I hand back suckiness to those who hand me suckiness, encouraging them to take their suckiness somewhere else.



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No what I mean is other people think like you do and they make your life suck, then you end up thinking like that and you make someone else’s life suck, then that someone else will probably screw up another persons life possibly even the first person who did something to you originally. It is a vicious cycle of suckiness. However you do not have to let people turn you into someone like them. The world can only change one person at a time. Fight back against the tide of suckiness!! !


gee.. sounds familiar.. isn't that what jesus did? lol... i wouldn't mind having a world-encompassing religion in my name, if only it didn't have to start with my crucifixion.. LOL

"Simon Christ"... hmm.. maybe "Simon-Ra" or... "Simoninanity"?


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20 Sep 2006, 4:42 am

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No what I mean is other people think like you do and they make your life suck, then you end up thinking like that and you make someone else’s life suck, then that someone else will probably screw up another persons life possibly even the first person who did something to you originally. It is a vicious cycle of suckiness. However you do not have to let people turn you into someone like them. The world can only change one person at a time. Fight back against the tide of suckiness!! !


I've long since given up on stemming the "tide of suckiness" as you put it. Some people just flat-out suck, and they will always be handing out suckiness no matter what others do. So instead, I hand back suckiness to those who hand me suckiness, encouraging them to take their suckiness somewhere else.


yeah.. doesn't the wiccan rede say that whatever bad thing u do will come back on u tenfold? so if someone gives you suckosity, just hand it back to them tenfold..! just make sure your not around when it comes back to you a hundredfold though..!


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20 Sep 2006, 6:27 am

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south indian? Across India there were similar protective attitudes to women - but I think these times are changing - with things like call centers being outsourced to India - women in those gain financial independence and a lot of other independence too - suddenly become valuable contributors in their families - and daughters become a worthwhile priority again. Hooray. Now if only that could happen across the stricter Muslim based countries.

Also if you blame everyone else for your problems, you never will be able to do anything to solve them and yes, you will be miserable.

If you pretend to be pleased to see everyone, and greet them accordingly, and do kind things even if you are not treated well, eventually people you are in regular contact with will begin to treat you with respect and kindness too. And by kindness - I do not mean letting people exploit you. However if you are from India - working in UAE - I think you may already be letting people exploit you and no wonder you are miserable.

But don't blame women. I think you would find if women were in charge - this wouldn't be happenning.