Do you consider women that used to be men as women?

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The one I saw on youtube wasn't male to female, it was female to male. They had their breasts chopped off and had chest reconstruction.



No. This was one that didn't have lower half surgery. According to that documentary they didn't want that as long as they were in prison because then they would be shipped over to the women's prison and away from their prison husband.

nope they are men and i wouldnt get within 20 feet of them.

You've likely stood within twenty feet of a trans person before and had no idea.

It would have no negative impact on your life whatsoever, so why say "I wouldn't get within 20 feet of them."? Worried it's catching? :/

Someone can "be" any gender they want at any time and change that identification as often as they see fit and I will respect that. Please correct me if I use the wrong pronouns.

Your understanding of transwomen is from the Howard Stern show?! No wonder you opinion of them is so messed up.

Guess which of these women was born with ladyparts?
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http://www.glamourvanity.com/images/cas ... candal.jpg
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I'll see them as women but I won't see myself ever being attracted to them.

Dammit, LKL, some of them are deceivingly attractive.

I wont get within 20 feet of them for a number of reasons.
First is that I do not support what they are doing..and believe it is wrong..i wont go any further into this as i dont want to break any forum rules.
2- They have negatively impacted my life because I actually j have a phobia that I will have a sexual relationship with someone i think is a girl.. that turns out to be a man who chopped his wee wee off and is shooting up estrogen.....

you might say,; well if you were attracted to them anyway what is the big deal? Well part of what attracts me to girls is that they are naturally girls. A guy can get sexual reassignment surgery until the cows come home but it will still be an inside out penis down there

My partner is transgender male to female, pre-op. Although I still view my partner as male to a certain degree, I do refer to her as female, as that is what she wants and it is out of respect to her that I do so. Tanya is unable to have the full op due to medical reasons, which suits us both as we get the best of 'both worlds' I guess. All I know is that Tanya is the kindest, most loving and accepting person I have ever known, who is patient with me and my meltdowns and quirky habits. I have no right to judge her for how she views herself (unlike most of our families).

You can probably chill, I don't think there are transfer people out there looking to trick you into being with them.

phobias are irrational!

since i just look like an as*hole...id like to hear you from you why you still view your bf as a male to some extent?

Yeah, but that's definitely a good reason not to let it dictate how you act toward people. I don't know how you would behave toward a trans person but I hope you'd treat trans people with the same respect you show any other person. In a work setting or a social setting, I mean I hope you wouldn't say things about how you don't want to come within twenty feet of them or whatnot.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinions.

Thankfully, other people are not required to live according your opinions, as you are not required to live by theirs.

So far, you've offered nothing besides your opinions on why "surgically altered men" aren't "real women." Thankfully, I'm swayed by actual facts, not opinions. Unfortunately, this is one of those areas where people don't seem to understand the difference between "subjective" and "objective." Carry on.

Furthermore, it's not difficult to treat others with common courtesy. If you want to go out of your way to be a disrespectful douche to someone because you don't like their gender presentation, then you can expect the same in return.

Well, I guess it is for a couple of reasons, both not necessarily the 'right' ones. The first is because I never deliberately set out to find a transsexual partner, and although I see the beauty in a female body, I am not necessarily into lesbian relationships. However, Tanya came along in my life and as people we 'clicked', which is obviously something that doesn't happen too often for me, being aspie/aspergian, soooo we decided to give our relationship a go, and it has worked out great .

Secondly, because Tanya is pre-op. She is on HRT but not as strong a dose of eostrogen as most transsexuals, given her problems with blood clots and spleen. Besides that, she still has all the 'working' bits n pieces of a male. So our situation is probably a little different to the 'norm' in this kind of relationship...I dunno as I've not really been with a post-op transsexual.

Having said all that, Tanya and I have known each other for about a year...I just accept her as she is and don't really place too much emphasis on her gender. I don't even think about it much these days, though in the beginning when the furor erupted with my family, I was constantly having it rammed down my throat. As long as Tanya is happy, that's all I care about. She knows how I feel and she is fine with that. Tanya knows it is just as difficult for me to understand her as it is for her to fully experience herself in a female body, despite what her mind tells her. At the end of the day, it works and we are happy

If they consider themselves a woman, yes. If not I ask so I know what they want me to call them. As in she or he.

There is scientific evidence that gender is a continuum, that all of us have both male and female characteristics to some degree or other and that one's gender identity can be different from one's physiology. Every medical professional worth their salt agrees that gender is much, much more than whether you have male parts or female parts. This is why sex change surgeries are medically valid and if you have transitioned you can have your gender legally changed in government documents. There is no "continuum of being Jesus", nor is there scientific evidence that someone who isn't physically Jesus should be considered Jesus. That's why there's a difference.

So obviously, I agree that if a person considers themselves male or female, then they should be treated as such. As one trans person told me, "Gender is what's in your head, sex is what's in your pants." I think what's in someone's head is much more important in defining who they are.