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16 Aug 2018, 6:34 pm

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16 Aug 2018, 7:06 pm

How is it "off?"

Please read what I wrote carefully.

What is "off" about it?

What's wrong with striving to get rid of the demons? What's wrong with seeking to evolve?

You're attributing something to me which is not there. I know, sometimes, people are not successful. I'm not always successful. I'm not judging anybody. You're attributing some sort of arrogance to me which isn't there.

I'm not at a great point myself. I'm just sort of a schmuck. I don't judge people.

I don't get it.

I'm not laying a burden upon people who have been through a lot. I know people have been through a lot. I've been through a lot.

I believe there's been some sort of misunderstanding. I'd like the chance to explain myself....before I get the vitriol.



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16 Aug 2018, 7:11 pm

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16 Aug 2018, 7:18 pm

Tequila wrote:
LoneLoyalWolf wrote:
My opinion personally is, if you haven't been raped yourself


If the person doing it is really evil it can really mess you up psychologically. So I've been told.


What rapist is not “really evil?” Lol


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16 Aug 2018, 7:22 pm

I don't think this was fair at all.

I don't think I did anything wrong.

I don't deign to give advice. I'm just giving my opinion.

Where's the "advice" in this?

I just feel this is not fair. I never got a chance to explain myself.

I would allow somebody to explain themselves...before I give somebody the treatment.



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16 Aug 2018, 9:07 pm

I apologize if I said something insensitive. That wasn’t the intention.



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16 Aug 2018, 9:49 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Tequila wrote:
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My opinion personally is, if you haven't been raped yourself


If the person doing it is really evil it can really mess you up psychologically. So I've been told.


What rapist is not “really evil?” Lol


Let's just say that there's a continuum to that without getting apologist or excusing those people.



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16 Aug 2018, 10:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Remember that I said the word "seek."

Not all people are successful in the "quest"----especially soon after the event--but I believe they should strive for success in overcoming the demons.

I don't see anything wrong with striving, trying, seeking to evolve. It doesn't always yield success----but it's better than doing nothing at all.

(I'm talking about people in general, not about any specific person).


If I understand correctly, you are not saying "Get over it." That would provoke ire from me too because it's not something one ever "gets over."

You seem to be saying, "Try to move forward with your life," which is a different message... more along the lines of "Do your best to get the help you need to heal so that the trauma no longer rules every moment of your life."

That I can understand--you don't want to let the one who hurt you win by robbing you of all future chances at happiness. But yes, it is indeed a difficult journey and not something everyone fully comes back from. There will always be scars.

Is that what you meant to communicate?


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17 Aug 2018, 5:02 am

I think it's a good idea to give people on the spectrum some allowances for communication missteps.

I put my foot in my mouth regularly, even with sensitive topics that I have experience with.



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17 Aug 2018, 5:05 am

Kraftie, you are a decent person and like all of us you have your strengths and your weaknesses :)



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17 Aug 2018, 5:12 am

For over a decade I had terrible reoccurring intrusive thoughts and gradually decreasing levels of anxiety... I often reacted irrationally to statements which I found offensive, but that was just part of the process. Thankfully there were some who knew the reasons and they got it. All the same its not ok to hurt other people because I had been a victim.
It feels too much like a spiral downwards.



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17 Aug 2018, 7:36 am

Yes, that's exactly what I meant to communicate, Serpentine. Thanks very much for the validation.

I'm not a "get over it!" kind of guy.



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17 Aug 2018, 7:38 am

I have been a victim, too. And it's not okay to hurt other people.

Yes, I have my strengths and weaknesses.

Serpentine summarized my thinking quite well. I should have communicated in those words previously.



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17 Aug 2018, 7:49 am

Misunderstandings will happen, if we become too pc it will shut down open discussions.
The priority from my perspective is to create an autistic friendly culture here and not enforce communication barriers for folk who may have communication difficulties.



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17 Aug 2018, 7:56 am

I just didn't communicate properly....

It's not really the fault of my "communication difficulties." I was a bit rushed because I was at work when I wrote what I wrote.

That's really my problem: I have lots in my mind; but it's not always available when it's needed. Hence, my expression of frustration.

This interferes mightily in my ability to communicate---the fact that things just leak out of my mind into my "unconscious" when a conscious presence is needed.

I don't know what causes the "leakage." Is it anxiety? Is it the autism? I don't know. But it's troubling.....

And, yes, I have to find a way to keep the stuff that I need in my mind IN MY CONSCIOUS AWARENESS (I'm not yelling, I'm emphasizing).



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17 Aug 2018, 8:05 am

I should clarify, my words are not directed at you exclusively, Kraftie.
ASD'rs have many similarities and differences in the presentation of their traits, tolerance is what's needed.