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I happened to look at the "would a woman laugh at a man's penis size" thread.
I've only seen the last page and saw that it was all about women's breast size.

This reminded me of a webpage I happened upon (during my education about transgender issues) that I was going to post over on the other thread but figured because of the photos of women's breasts, it might cause the whole thread to degenerate.

So, I'm leaving here now and letting you determine whether this link is a helpful site or not for women of all ages.
I actually bookmarked this site for my daughter on her 'side' of our home computer when we were sharing it.(and embarrassingly somewhat by telling her about it. My daughter although she knows I'm a nut , has been supportive during my whole gender-questioning experience... she is compassionate and just a wonderful person even at 14 y.o.)

Okay, so this is getting long.

Here's the link, it is a site to promote positive feelings in women about their bodies/breasts and I think it's great.
Too bad guys will never be able to do things like this with each other without a bunch of homophobia cropping up.

---->007b<----- sorry for the intrusion!

Sunday morning eta: I read your posts and felt I should clarify something to ladybug and anyone else who is reading.
I had this whole long paragraph written but deleted it as I feel it would be better to post it somewhere else like the adult issues forum or whatever it is called.
Thank you Ladybug for bringing that up.

eta again: Okay, so I know this is posting without creating a new post, but I wanted to say also...
The reason I told my daughter about 007b, was that as a parent, I have tried to be involved in her life and let her know that she can talk to me about any topic she feels comfortable bringing up and I will not turn away from her or treat her concerns as if they're not worth hearing.

When I said I embarrassed her, it was just a bit and no more than what I do all the time anyway. She wasn't 'freaked out' by my mentioning of this and knows that my hope is she will always see herself as beautiful and not spend a lifetime comparing her body to other women as if her body were something less than someone else's.

Seeing as how her mother and I are both in the medical field and fairly liberal, we always encourage discussion with our daughter.
This was just part of that. Because she is now living in two homes instead of one, I feel like I should make sure she feels comfortable being a female in this house. What I mean by that is I have let her know that her having a period and needing feminine things for it are natural... not something she has to be ashamed of and hide in the deep recesses of the bathroom vanity.

I used to go and buy her mom pontoons (my former wife used that name for tampons ) and whatnot.
I wanted my daughter to know that I was not embarrassed to do the same for her if she ever ran out and needed me to go to the store for her.

This is certainly all new for me and I'm trying to make sure I help instill confidence in my only child.
I didn't get as much when I was young, especially from any males in my family.

I am especially sensitive to a woman's life in our society and how that will effect my daughter.
I NEVER want her to feel second class, or believe she is.
I NEVER want her to believe that because she might not look like all the skinny women (no offense to the naturally skinny, just the 'role model' we seem to have in hollywood and the magazines) in pictures every where you look, she is FAT and should be ashamed of it. She is actually probably pretty well height and weight proportioned based upon her mom and I being tall, large people.

Anyway, when I read through the website 007b, I felt that it offered something for every girl to learn from.
It would be nice, speaking as a man, for boys to have the same opportunity to explore how 'normal' their own bodies are.
I can tell you, if you haven't figured it out yet, that guys have body issues too.
I had/have mine, although I've certainly matured about mine as I have aged.
Perhaps I would not have had all the mental anguish I did have growing up about sexuality and gender, if I had more resources available in a non-threatening, positive environment.

That's what I am trying to create for my daughter.
Oh... and I do defer 'women's issues' to her mom because there certainly are things I only know from reading and not from personal experience. She has a great mother and I'm glad for it!

Well, sorry about posting again. Hope you didn't mind too much!

Last edited by wsmac on 25 Nov 2007, 1:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Wow. Would it be wise to have a 14 year old render emotional support for the complicated situation and elements you brought up?

from what I've been told, most women rate size so far down the scale, you'd be surprised (besides they also bring up the shape..

don't sweat it, you can post whenever you like. or not...

That website is great! Thanks for the link.

I disagree, if breasts were purely for breastfeeding, wouldn't they only swell while the woman is nursing and stay flat the rest of the time? This is how most other mammals do that, so why are humans different?

However, I don't believe that breasts should be obsessed over, if a man only wants to date a woman with a huge rack, oh well, he's not worth pursuing anyway.

I think it's more simplistic, to being a matter of personal preference.

I CAN'T HELP MYSELF... SORRY

I realized those of you who posted here or read but did not post might not go back and read my additions to my original post.

Sorry I keep intruding here.

I just really wanted you all to see what I added because that may explain some things you possibly had questions about.

Thanks

No, I'm not overly sensitive to shielding children from adult topics. Because that's unreasonable and unwise to the extent the world isn't a sterile environment. What I was calling into question is relying on a 14 year old for emotional support, instead of building friendships or seeking professional help.



Oh. It's natural, not always good, but she will get her information on the street anyway.



Yeah, that's a difficult message for adults to grasp, much less a teen.



Haha! But we do, and there are many stylized pursettes nowadays. I think it might have more to do with how people like to chant being on the rag, as a form of insult.



Oh. Perhaps buy her some flowers with a discretionary note inside?



Good luck with that mele, because the world says different!



Oh yes, we are more alike than different, no doubt.



Great! No, I think it's a nice exchange.

Wsmac, your daughter is a very lucky girl to have you as her dad.

My own father has never acknowledged my feminity and all that entails. As a consequence it feels like he's never truly accepted me as a girl/woman. I'm a hopeless 'daddy's girl' and his apparent lack of regard has been difficult to deal with at times. C'est la vie, for me anyway. (In his defence, he does have some AS traits so maybe this is just a 'lack of empathy' thing on his part.)

Thanks for your replies you all.

Macallan, sorry to hear about your relationship with your father.
I spent many years... well, over half my life... trying to create some kind of Father/Son relationship with my Dad.
He finally told me it was never going to work.
He was not being mean, just frank.
It was actually quite a turning point for me to finally realize I had a relationship with him and I would have to deal with that one instead of trying to re-create the past, in the present.

I have a lot of empathy for anyone who has had a poor parent/child relationship.

I wish you well in yours. Hopefully someday you two can realize a relationship that will help you both find some degree of happiness together.

I know that when my father passes on, there will be pangs of regret in my mind.
I also know that just like my oldest sister who's passed on, my Grandma Moore, and others, I can retain happy memories that allow me to understand it was not all wasted time.

Oh, I'm passed the point of trying to change my dad and I have accepted that he's just the way he is. We get on just fine as long as I don't push it I did fight with him a lot when I was younger but I think me finally accepting that he couldn't be the kind of dad I wanted him to be was a relief for both of us. After all, he's the only one I'm gonna have. It's just that sometimes I wish things were different

There will be regrets on my part when he dies but then when is anything 'happy ever after'?

So if breasts are for breastfeeding, and secondarily for aesthetics, what are the breasts of a single, childfree-by-choice woman for?

Lactivism is important to counter the current breasts=porn mentality of our culture, but a lot of lactivists (including, I think, this site) go a little too far.

I came across that site a couple years ago and had forgotten all about it. I think it's a very good thing to show girls who might fall prey to thinking that what they see in magazines is average. Thanks for sharing the link.

LKL,
I agree that those who will never breast-feed a child, whether childless or a parent, might not find all the information and 'push' for breast-feeding rights applicable.

I hope it does not seem that I am pushing my daughter to marry a man, have children, etc.

What I found inspiring at the site, and what I mentioned to my daughter, was the importance of not measuring one's body against others for 'normality'.
I want her to understand that there is such a diverse look to each and every body that she can be sure her body is not inferior to any other woman's.

I am not taking into account physical fitness... pretty much just aesthetics, I suppose.

The issue of breast-feeding and what I find good about this site is the emphasis on how it should be acceptable for a woman to breast-feed in public.

Agreed. Activists and/or Special Interest groups can be manipulative to cross many lines, to crowd out the voice of others, no doubt. In this case, I support them for how Puritanicals have tried for years in the US, to push nursing mothers into filthy restrooms (can't clean them enough to dine there), and/or to inconvenience a mother and baby, to nurse out-of-sight. Psssh. So what if the Titty Milk Orphans become a little aroused, and can't help themselves for wanting to watch such amazing action?

It would be nice if, since disclaimers are forced upon certain retail products in our society, magazines such as Vogue, Cosmo and Cosmo Teen(?), et.al., had to put in a disclaimer that some of their models undergo certain cosmetic surgeries and exaggerated weight loss to attain the bodies they have, as well as mentioning any photo alterations done to enhance the 'looks' of these women.

Although I have nothing against women's decisions to do what they wish with their bodies, I do take issue with the media market pushing a certain image on our young people... girls and boys alike! (as well as the adult male who can't accept anything other than the playboy/penthouse model as desirable. ).