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12 Dec 2012, 12:21 am

here something I notice when a pretty girl does something like being doctor. Alot of time people don't take her serious because she is pretty.
or if a pretty girl is something like a cook, an athlete, a barber, a manager ,people will spend more time on how pretty she is than her actual carrer.
think of rachel ray, lolo jones, danica patrick, gina carano , there are more example but when people talk about them it's about how ''hot'' they are.



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12 Dec 2012, 12:28 am

You made a very good point. Maybe people just assume because one is pretty, they are lacking in other areas, such as intelligence, etc., or things that "men" are typically better at. *Shrug*



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12 Dec 2012, 12:44 am

I'm curious. There are now 20 women in the U.S. Senate. Do you think the other 80 members are looking at them and going, "Geez, not a hottie in the bunch!"?



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12 Dec 2012, 1:34 am

I can't take Danica Patrick seriously. If she'd stop the modeling, maybe...and I emphasize the word 'maybe'...I would. Until then, no. She's trying to have her cake and eat it, too.



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12 Dec 2012, 7:07 am

If a woman in a position of power is attractive, she'll be seen as a silly bimbo. And accused of sleeping with the right man to get the job.

If she is unattractive, men will rip her apart for her supposed ugliness, without a mention of her capabilities for doing the job she is in.

Look at the vitriol thrown at women politicians for being dowdy and unsexy. Their male colleagues aren't exactly hotties either, but no-one expects them to be, they are judged on how well they do their job.



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12 Dec 2012, 2:38 pm

It seems that women are not highly valued for there intelligence, I mean if they are smart then they'll be valued to some extent. Like being smart in todays society doesnt take anything away from your worth. Its just that women are more highly valued for looks and personality. If you are pretty and have a good personality, people will love you and talk highly of you generally. If your smart, not necessarily.



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12 Dec 2012, 2:39 pm

noxnocturne wrote:
I can't take Danica Patrick seriously. If she'd stop the modeling, maybe...and I emphasize the word 'maybe'...I would. Until then, no. She's trying to have her cake and eat it, too.

What?
I guess you think that models are only attractive if they're stupid and helpless?



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12 Dec 2012, 4:22 pm

A woman in my class told me that when she took her then slightly depressed teenage daughter to the doctor once, he told her daughter that "You can´t be depressed, you are too good looking for that." A doctor, seriously. Luckily they never went to him again.


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12 Dec 2012, 5:15 pm

LKL wrote:
noxnocturne wrote:
I can't take Danica Patrick seriously. If she'd stop the modeling, maybe...and I emphasize the word 'maybe'...I would. Until then, no. She's trying to have her cake and eat it, too.

What?
I guess you think that models are only attractive if they're stupid and helpless?


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12 Dec 2012, 6:08 pm

robsten1990 wrote:
A woman in my class told me that when she took her then slightly depressed teenage daughter to the doctor once, he told her daughter that "You can´t be depressed, you are too good looking for that." A doctor, seriously. Luckily they never went to him again.
Truly! That is very unprofessional. Good looks do not erase the problems someone may have and the doctor should have do his job with out dismissing it on an unrelated matter.



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12 Dec 2012, 6:10 pm

ColdEyesWarmHeart wrote:
If a woman in a position of power is attractive, she'll be seen as a silly bimbo. And accused of sleeping with the right man to get the job.

If she is unattractive, men will rip her apart for her supposed ugliness, without a mention of her capabilities for doing the job she is in.

Look at the vitriol thrown at women politicians for being dowdy and unsexy. Their male colleagues aren't exactly hotties either, but no-one expects them to be, they are judged on how well they do their job.
I have seen this before. It is just nasty.



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12 Dec 2012, 8:38 pm

LKL wrote:
noxnocturne wrote:
I can't take Danica Patrick seriously. If she'd stop the modeling, maybe...and I emphasize the word 'maybe'...I would. Until then, no. She's trying to have her cake and eat it, too.

What?
I guess you think that models are only attractive if they're stupid and helpless?


if you knew anything about danica patric you wouldnt say this. Its a woman who has some of the lowest driving skill in her classes of racing yet manages to buy her way into the sport with her 'assets'. This has nothing to do with models being stupid or women being bad drivers or anything stupid like that. There have been plenty of very tallented women in motorsports that gave the guys a run for their money. Women like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Mouton
who almost won the group b rally championship, lost it because her father died the day before the last race and she left the event to be with her family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simona_de_Silvestro
Who has come up the ranks from europe to the states and has actually shown who shes around as a real woman racer, and not a media puppet.
and others like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Fisher
who started their own teams in the sport. Now, all danica has done is be a media frenzy. And the queen of tantrums.



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13 Dec 2012, 2:29 am

So, in other words, it has do do with her being a bad driver and a drama queen, and nothing to do with modeling.



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13 Dec 2012, 2:41 am

LKL wrote:
So, in other words, it has do do with her being a bad driver and a drama queen, and nothing to do with modeling.


it has to do with her being a bad driver and drama queen that still exists only because she does celebrity shoots and risque commercials in hopes of beeing popular enough to not get fired for being a bad driver and drama queen.



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17 Dec 2012, 12:32 pm

ColdEyesWarmHeart wrote:
If a woman in a position of power is attractive, she'll be seen as a silly bimbo. And accused of sleeping with the right man to get the job.

If she is unattractive, men will rip her apart for her supposed ugliness, without a mention of her capabilities for doing the job she is in.

Look at the vitriol thrown at women politicians for being dowdy and unsexy. Their male colleagues aren't exactly hotties either, but no-one expects them to be, they are judged on how well they do their job.

I had that accusation lobbed at me when some of my classmates in school did not land jobs and I did. 12 years later, I'm still in the same role, and they've bounced from place to place. Yeah, totally must be my gender and sluttiness (despite the fact that I wasn't even 'active' at that point in time) and not my attention to detail and grasp of the industry.

Yeah, I get a lot of comments about how pretty I'd be 'if you'd just do something with your hair' or 'if you'd try a little bit more makeup'. I don't care about spending money or time on clothes, hair, or makeup and don't see why so many men are more interested in them than I am? What about mentioning my education, or my good projects or the publications I've been published in? No? None of them are as important as me wearing engineer's boots instead of ****-me heeled boots?

Then there's the thing back to the pretty girls... if a truly lovely woman is even remotely intelligent, huge big deals are made about it, which #1 puts unrealistic pressure and focus on their intelligence, rather than their experience, which is neither right nor fair and #2 makes the smart, frumpy women around them feel pretty darned invisible and unappreciated.



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18 Dec 2012, 1:45 am

I will let you in on something, OP: a lot of men are dumb as*holes.

Same with a lot of women.

Don't be offended when a dumbass acts like a dumbass. It's like being offended when a dog pisses on a fire hydrant. Don't take it personally, they're just being a dog.

Move on and focus your social efforts on finding people who aren't dumbasses. They're rare but they're worth the effort.