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CryingTears15
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14 Aug 2016, 11:05 am

So, I am currently obsessing over the Olympics. All I want to think about, all that matters. Autism? Maybe, too soon to tell. As a feminist, I love watching Simone Biles and Katie Ledecky kick butt, and the latter's ability to rival men is pretty cool, too.

Then, some poor chap made the unfortunate mistake of declaring that Ledecky "swims like a man". Obviously an intended compliment, and I thought nothing of it upon reading it.

Other women had other reactions. It is sexist, according to some, to insinuate that there is a "man's" way and a "woman's" way to swim, and that Ledecky is swimming like a girl. Because she is a girl, see.

First of all, let me again state that I am a feminist, but I think there has been some unfortunate anti-intellectualism in the feminist community lately that causes them to reject scientific articles off the bat, not with simple skepticism, but full-on denial, their own convictions based on, more often than not, anecdote. They say that all of the numerous well-accepted studies saying that cisgender boys and girls have different physical capabilities aren't true because some women somewhere have beaten men athletically at times.

Personally, I do believe that men and women are built differently. Sorry, but women are physically meant to carry children. This means higher body fat and lower muscle mass. Women also are often much shorter than men, which makes for slower running times and swimming times.

That being said, I am skeptical of the idea that men are better athletes than women, hands down. All the sports we know today have been designed when it was the male player that they had in mind, (even softball mimics baseball.) Female physical capabilities, (agility, flexibility, balance), are useful in sports that are exclusively female.

Simone Biles is an athlete, and some argue that she is the best in the world at what she does. Katie Ledecky can hold her own with men, but I doubt she'd beat Michael Phelps, (though if any woman can, it's her.) But Simone Biles is possibly the best in the world at her skills, and she's not only "good for a girl".

Why do we act like something that is mainly geared towards women is inherently worse? How is excelling at girl's gymnastics worse than excelling at speed swimming? Both sports favor a certain gender. One is swamped with the opposite, still, which is fine, while men are barred from Simone Biles level stuff. But would many men want to do what she does? I wonder if men would even see it as glamorous and prestigious, or just a "girl's sport".

Let me go over women's physical capabilities again. They excel at fine motor skills, balance, and flexibility. They have greater range of motion. They are lighter and more agile. Unfortunately, a great physical strength of women, the ability to recover from muscular exhaustion quickly, pacing, and higher fat concentrations making endurance swimming easier, would not make very watchable sports: they would be very long games. Unless we can work around that. But nonetheless, women have capabilities that men do not, on average, have as much.

So, imagine a world full of sports, common sports, Olympic sports, that utilized balance and dexterity, range of motion and muscular recovery. These would be sports in which women were not the best women, but simply the best. That would be awesome!

Finally, I'm not saying cut women's track, volleyball, swimming, etc. I'm saying, focus on trying to get those women the best that they can be, but focus more on utilizing the strengths women excel at, instead of trying to make them like men. And don't act like it's the goal for a woman doing track to outrun Usain Bolt.

(If anyone has any ideas, especially when it comes to making endurance sports interesting, be my guest.)



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15 Aug 2016, 7:09 am

I'm a man, of course---but I think this applies to all genders.

When one is doing endurance sports, running in particular, I believe there are times when playing one's favorite song, or one's favorite rhythm, is absolutely indispensable in achieving "personal bests."

Also: running with a partner who trains at your speed also helps performance, I have found.

When I ran marathons, I used to respond to my own pattern/rhythm of breathing--sort of like a metronome.



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15 Aug 2016, 11:44 am

How about gymnastics, acrobatics and figure skating? Aren't they depended on woman advantages like flexibility and low weight?



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15 Aug 2016, 1:09 pm

Yeah, that being said, you need some equipment for that stuff... It might not be accessible to all girls.

And yes, a personal best is the essential goal, but making more girls the best in the world would be amazing. Sports are artificial anyways. They're there to help us exert ourselves in a nonthreatening context.



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15 Aug 2016, 2:18 pm

What sort of equipment do you need for running?

Basically, all you need is a decent pair of sneakers.

And a simple watch which has a stopwatch feature.



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15 Aug 2016, 3:00 pm

Yes, and that is a sport that favors men, (who are taller and have more lung capacity), at least the way races are designed right now.

Look, all I'm saying is, sports are artificial. There's nothing fake about wanting one for women specifically to excel at. It's just highlighting half the population's abilities.



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15 Aug 2016, 3:14 pm

Why is running a sport that favors men? That is not true at all.

They make sneakers particularly for women. They make running outfits particularly for women.

ON AVERAGE, men "perform" better than women....but the gap is closing. I wouldn't be surprised if the Marathon record is the same for both genders some day.

But "AVERAGE" doesn't mean much to a guy like me, and to many other guys. I know women who WALK faster than I run.

When it comes to something like ice-skating, women have more advantages than men.

But then again.....so what?



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15 Aug 2016, 3:33 pm

I bet you're a pretty decent athlete.

I bet you want to set the male records as well as female records. I think that's cool!

Michelle Wie tried to play mens events on the PGA Tour. She didn't succeed. But someone will succeed, very soon. The top female players could probably succeed on the male tour with lots of practice.

It's already happened in ice hockey: there have been female players in the NHL (mostly goalies thus far, but I believe that's going to change soon).

And auto racing: Not that many women yet--but there will be shortly.



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15 Aug 2016, 3:41 pm

I think you have a point when it comes to the fact that the sports of men emphasized and catered to much more than the sports of women within high schools and colleges.

Within the pro ranks of various sports, the salaries of women, obviously, are not nearly the salaries of men, with the exception of professional tennis.



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15 Aug 2016, 6:46 pm

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Then, some poor chap made the unfortunate mistake of declaring that Ledecky "swims like a man". Obviously an intended compliment, and I thought nothing of it upon reading it.

Other women had other reactions. It is sexist, according to some, to insinuate that there is a "man's" way and a "woman's" way to swim, and that Ledecky is swimming like a girl. Because she is a girl, see.



It's a super sexist thing to say, but not (to me) for the reason you stated. The insinuation is that if a woman swims really well, then she must be manish. She must be copying or stealing her technique from men (which is itself a strange idea, since I'm pretty sure swimming techniques are genderless), or she's just not a "real woman". It's a way of awarding credit for her accomplishments to men, and reassuring fragile male egos that no true female could ever achieve what Ledecky has. It's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, as well.



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16 Aug 2016, 5:15 am

^ Or he most probably simply meant that she's as strong as a strong male swimmer (with no deeper implication).



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16 Aug 2016, 7:10 pm

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^ Or he most probably simply meant that she's as strong as a strong male swimmer (with no deeper implication).


Obviously, I disagree with you.



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17 Aug 2016, 8:44 pm

@Kraftiekortie

That's a nice thought, but women are actually lagging behind men in every Olympic event by about 10%.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... ot/260927/

Unless we count women's gymnastics. Indeed, women also have an advantage in technical rock-climbing courses.

I want sports that prioritize the kinds of skills women have more than men, that allow them to be the best in the world, not just the "best woman".



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18 Aug 2016, 7:49 am

Probably something like Synchronized Swimming might just be the ticket for your objective.

I see your point. You want sports which are specifically designed for women.

That 10% gap is lessening. I would bet it was more like 20-30% in previous generations.

Think of it this way: The present-day woman's record in the Marathon is 2:17:42, which was the men's record in 1954.

The men's record is 2:02:57.

Probably, if there was more emphasis on women's athletics at the high school/college levels, the decrease in the gap in all sports would accelerate.

I feel, within a generation, that women golfers will be competing with men golfers on an equal basis.



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18 Aug 2016, 11:15 pm

Women have incredible lower body strength. When I was in high school, the football players were all blown away at how much the members of the girls' basketball team could leg press. If there was a sport that involved lying on your back pushing boulders with your legs, women would win hands down. :lol:



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18 Aug 2016, 11:40 pm

Basically you want a sport in which women can regularly play with and out-compete men which in reality does not exist.