Extreme antifeminst men

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I was wondering if any other women get really irritated with some men you are extremely anti feminist ??

I am a like original feminist, I believe in equality but it doesn't rule my life. Men who look down on women with aspirations aside from having babies just really irritates me

There's a part of me that says "no" even though I believe that women should be able to have a job and be educated, etc. The other part of me is saying that I think men and women have certain roles with one being the woman having children and the children needing a mother. I think with the feminist movement the traditional gender roles got all screwed up and that is probably one of the main reasons that families are not together like they should be - too many broken homes. People make fun of "Leave It To Beaver", but back then children had more of a normal upbringing and there were much fewer divorces. My Ma was a stay-at-home-Ma when I was in school and I really appreciated that and now have great memories because of it. There are too many latch-key kids. Now more Mr. Mom's. It's just all confusing and messed up.

I'm want to have kids and raise them but I also want to be successful in the career I have chosen. I grew up with a working mum and I was inspired by her strength to raise her kids while working. I just hate it when men say they only want a woman who is quite and belongs in the kitchen

And I have nothing wrong with stay at home mum's if that's their choice. I just dislike it if they are like forced to do it when a man makes them feel bad if they don't

this is my type of feminism. the key word is choice; it's not inherently anti-feminist for a woman to want to take on a traditional role as a mother and/or housewife if that is what SHE wants.

but as for the op, yes, it's very frustrating. its the unwillingness to listen that gets to me the most...that and sensationalizing straw feminism to use against the movement as a whole.

That is what I agree with, the choice is the important part...but it honestly seems some feminists are hostile towards women who aren't in the work-force and in a relationship.

I hope it is ok to post as the topic is not marked women only.

I agree with the idea of equality and choice feminism. In fact some feminists have criticised the move away from that to identity politics. So I'm annoyed when it moves away from equality and choice.

Also I'm hardly a conservative. I'm against legal marriage, and value independence, I'm pretty unconventional so I wouldn't expect people to agree wit me on everything, and respect people who have independently formed views.

Regarding straw feminism, sure like anything it can be misrepresented. However if anyone has been following the last couple of years particularly in universities, you cannot say that there are not groups that are "problematic" nor can they be characterized as just some fringe groups that can be ignored, they have a do have influence as has been demonstrated.

Problem with some of these movements:
1. Promoting ideas tantamount to returning to segregation.
2. Promoting ideas that violate freedom expression and movement.
3. Misrepresenting trauma, PTSD, and its treatment.
4. Inciting violence, and hatred.
5. Creating an environment where students are discouraged from being critical.
6. Generalising an pigeonholing social groups.
7. Promoting limited or one track social theories on oppression.
8. Promoting pro-active policies which I don't think will help achieve equality.
9. There is also a question over what a prominent figure is doing with the money that was was given to them do thing they have promised, but have not delivered on what they said they would. This is way past the deadline, and are asking for more money. These are not small figures.
10. Lack of focus on important social issues for women and perusing questionable causes.
11. I don't agree with no platform policy, in public institutions like universities.
12. Getting student unions to vote on things without time to discuss the pros and cons and have a public debate.

If pointing out these things is annoying, I'm sorry but we have have a responsibility to respect rights and the principle of rights.

Rights can be degraded for the following reasons:
1. Some people really don't want equality, like social conservative, segregationist, supremacist, etc.
2. Well meaning people can sometime suggest ideas that affect people right negatively through draconian policy, in good conscious.
3. Some people think that the way to address inequality is through inequality.
4. Moral panic and misconceptions leading to a need to control.

I would say continue doing what you believe, but if you want to join a specific group do your homework and be critical.

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May I ask why you are against legal marriage?

I think if a woman choses to enter then she should be allowed and if she does not wish to she shouldn't be judged for it. All I want is to be treated with respect and be given equal rights and pay based on my abilities and not my gender

Legal marriage is not fundamental is a special legal status. It is not like taking away your right to have a cultural marriage, which is part of your expression. Sure you can chose to take up a special legal status, but it doesn't change that legal status is not either fundamental or derivative of fundamental rights.

It is a privilege provided in law, much like incorporation.

I will explain in more detail later why I'm against it later it is 1am. It is related to the principle of rights, and how I see rights work.

A fellow English person I see hahaha, I haven't seen too many on this site. I would worry about inheritance and welfare of dependance without legal marriage

yes 0_equals_true the groups in which you are referring to are extremely problematic, and should not be ignored. but the op is specifically regarding extreme anti-feminist men (although i think all anti-feminists are equally irritating lol), and what i attempted to convey in my post is that "anti-feminists" who draw examples from"feminists" to fuel their arguments are just as problematic.

Most anti feminists are against this kind:https://mobile.twitter.com/femfreq/status/594662850095755266

She is against 'choice feminism' which means she wants women to make choices in life (like not appearing in a magazine) that help all women with their issues.
So she is saying a fashion model would be excommunicated or something.
I would like to know what other choices she has in mind......

Hmm that tweet leads to this article
https://theconversation.com/no-feminism ... oice-40896

It says that the choice between having a career or family isn't good enough, they also want state funded childcare so women are free to do anything. (Never mind the children who are brought up by minimum wage paid government employee strangers)
So all children will be brought up by the state at home and in school.

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Interesting it is called choice feminism when it takes the freedom to choose away from women -_-

And see weed I Dont mind It doesn't just have to be men, I realise that not just men are antifeminst, an oversight on my part

Choice feminism is the good kind, I don't think there is a name for this new feminism that is against women making their own choices.

Femfreq is against choice feminism.

Ooooh I misunderstood I think freedom of choice is the way to go so does that make me a choice feminist?

Yes and here Anita of femfreq explains herself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOmIIAact4s

She wants women to tear down capitalism instead of being successful in capitalist society.

It's the same thing karl marx would say to factory employees and construction workers a hundred years ago.

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