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Last edited by RightGalaxy on 26 Jan 2009, 10:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

I never knew my Dad but I had similar problems - my moms partner. He did not have AS.

My dad has AS, and although we aren't close, I get along with him. Both of us have learned how to talk to people a lot better, but not with each other. I kind of have a vicarious relationship with him through my younger sister, who we both talk to. Sometimes something sets him off and he will yell, but not much. Mostly he is shy and gentle.

AS may make it harder to deal with certain issues, but it doesn't make people jerks.

Your dad was a pedophlie because he was a pedophile. It has nothing to do with A.S. I have three kids, btw. I have two daughters and a son. And I find your association of pedophilia and bad fathers with A.S. a bit offensive.

It's emotional immaturity, probably due to inadequate/bad parenting in infancy/early childhood.

I have only one relative who might have autism, and she is the one relative with the most compassion (because she has had the most bad experiences - the rest of them have had pretty cushy lives and can't really identify with struggle). She is the one who has put the most energy into personal growth, too.

Some people let disabilities keep them back, others take them as a challenge for growth. It all depends on the person, and what kind of inner reserves they can draw on.

I think that men with AS are just as likely to be child molesters as those without AS. It's not offensive to keep raising community awareness that your dad was a creep and acted A-typical. It's actually refreshing for many women to find someone that they can identify with through the father horror stories. There is a woman here in Richmond, who once told me a story that her father was a creepy scientist type. Her and her sisters grew up ashamed of their sexuality because of this persistent issue on his behalf. He likely had AS and found sexual inappropriateness his only outlet for excess energy that he did not know how to apply in a socially constructive way for his family. This is a point specific issue, and you shouldn't feel afraid to express the statistic. It is common, but as we all know, not the rule for AS men, especially the ones who receive adequate care for their AS. Men who get offended by stories like yours because they share the same disability as a pedophile, AS, that you also share along with many women, are wanting to avoid stigma, but don't know the appropriate manner in which to do so for themselves, and don't seem empathetic to the Women's Forum. Now do they? Not showing empathy to a victim in the Women's Forum is offensive in itself to all the women in the Forum. Now isn't it?

I agree. That is why A.S. is irrelevant to the OP's father's pedophilia.


And that is not what the original poster did. Unless I misunderstood, the OP was implying a causal link between A.S. and pedophilia. This is what I take offense to. I would take offense to it whether I had A.S. or not. I take offense to the OP's logic.


This is completely anecdotal and therefore pointless. How do you know the subject in question had A.S.? And, again, what makes you think that it has anything to do with HIS pedophelia?


Your languate is confusing throughout the post, but this is very confusing. What statistic do you refer to? Do you have statistic data linking A.S. to pedophelia? Or did you perhaps mean "story" instead of statistic?


This also made no sense to me. What is common? I don't understand this sentence at all.


This is a broad generalization based on nothing. And, personally, I am not trying to avoid a stigma (didn't know one existed). I am trying to argue against a logical fallacy (correllation does not equal causation).

I just clicked on the link from the front page. I didn't even know this was the Women's Forum before you mentioned it. And I don't really see what difference it makes. You are allowed to go to any other thread and disagree with a point, but it is not allowed to do so with a poster in here? That is sexist. And, fyi, the "now do they?" and "now isn't it?" statements come off as condescending.

Not talking about paedophilia but it is true people with developmental disabilities are more likely to abuse children.

But what is the causal link between the two?

evidence?

In response to the OP's original question, I DO believe that a correlation can be made between some people with AS traits and pedophilia, as some traits of some AS males and some pedophiles are the same. Wait. I didn't say which ones, now. Could it be that some pedophiles have either diagnosed or undiagnosed AS and have thus molested their undiagnosed or diagnosed AS daughters? Could that be a statistic in the making? The person whom drowbot0181 is really offended by is a nearly dead man, who has raised the question of pedophilia amongst AS as a group, through the words of his daughter's true experience, but since he (the pedophile) isn't here to defend himself, in the same Forum as his victimized adult daughter, who has sought some sort of refuge therein, drowbot0181, a third party to this circumstance, has become offended by a simple observation she innocently made in questioning, and not in an accusatory or assuming verse towards drowbot0181, in the slightest! Does drowbot0181 expect an appology from a victim of pedophilia because she (the victim) wanted to tell the story of a father with AS traits and a liking for incest and pedophilia? Wow. We've entered a new dimension of male entitlement now, haven't we? I don't believe that AS causes pedophilia, but a misunderstanding of appropriate behaviour.... sure.

Just look at how drowbot0181 is reacting to an innocent question and an empathetic response between two women. Wow, completely over sensitive and yet insensitive, drowbot0181, has decided to apply his personal rants and motives to a situation that does not involve him in the slightest- be that situation; sexual abuse of a woman as a girl. How does a child victim's true story become ammo for poor, drowbot0181's psyche to be offended by, when he was not specifically addressed in any manner at all? drowbot0181's profile, reads Undiagnosed for AS! The logic it seems would be to take offense towards the AS similar pedophiles for choosing to molest their own children or behave in a manner of sexual misconduct towards others' children. Maybe with all those kiddies at home, drowbot0181, will learn to understand the dangers of allowing his children to be around creepy pedophilic parents with undiagnosed AS, and he will never let this circumstance befall them! I am, for Christ's sake, speechless, at this drowning yet reckoning phenomenon that we have all had the chance to witness here in all its sideshow appeal. drowbot0181, maybe you should thank the OP!! But...

Thank you, drowbot0181. You are truely a marker of your condition, and unlike anyone of us, you, the more illogical and desensitised creature to ever grace a Forum designed for our gender, and not yours, you have managed to identify with a circumstance that didn't pertain to you at all and become offended. Congratulations! You can bet your balls I'm condescending, and anything else you care to add, in your absolutely senseless and yet hypersensitive style, I'm sure I will convey my character to, for if you haven't guessed already, I have no shame! Throw some real emotion into the fire, and I'll appreciate the effort, even if you do come across as immature and somewhat sexist, or as a labeler of victims of AS pedophiles as irrational. Please, drowbot0181, feel free to share more in your pseudo intellectual and covertly caring male fashion. I love to chat here as much as the next girl, if you are willing. If in fact, you feel the need to start a whole new thread, just to address your own issues, no matter what they pertain too, I will in fact, be willing to continue our little debate elsewhere, which is where I think you should be spending your WP time. Thanks again.

Last edited by mixtapebooty on 24 Jan 2009, 10:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.

All the paedophiles I've known have not been AS. When I talk about developmental disabilities - I mean less likely to meet the childs developmental needs - such as neglect.

I agree, I've asked my LCSW about this, specifically. Neglect is the most common form of child abuse worldwide, also, but that is mostly due to lack of resources (i.e. education, health care, shelter, food, clothing, water, etc.) and not developmental disabilities. However, people with developmental disabilities that are monitored and reconditioned with therapy can be great parents. Some can even learn to be on their own, but they will have most likely sought education about their issue and the needs of their children, and not relied on intuition alone- common sense.

Yes, they just need more support.

this thread is screwed up and should be locked.

Unless any of you can provide actual studies confirming AS with child molestation I suggest you stop.

And since Aspies are always complaining about people diagnosing themselves or others with crap they get off the internet I also suggest that you stop confusing actual confirmed diagnoses with "I think all paedophiles have undiagnosed AS" because they match 1 or 2 random symptoms.

proof. or stop making crap up that causes harm to other people. I could walk in here and say all AS females are frigid and molest little boys because real men intimidate and frighten them. And you would also want proof. Because if that rumor gets around it will detrimentally influence YOUR life and YOUR ability to live it.




yeah, I want an apology as well. And if someone posted some offensive statement about women you would expect an apology as well. He doesn't want to be associated with a pedophile because people like you and the OP want to draw over emotional causal links and spread false rumors with no evidence or statistics to back it up.



call it human decency and entitlement. Because I am supporting the guys in here who are offended by your unsubstantiated remarks, as well as the false links the OP is suggesting.



They question was neither innocent, and your response was derogatory to an entire group of individuals who have done nothing to deserve it (AS males).. As since you and the OP have decided to spread false accusations, the situation now does involve him.



yeah... nice to know you are a professional doctor who diagnoses AS for a living and all these people must be your patients. Otherwise you are blowing hot air out of your crack.




the sad part is that you are a more illogical and desensitised creature to ever grace a Forum designed for your own gender and have effectively disgraced your own gender and your own forum. Crapping where you eat.. so to say... and now very few people want to see you wallow in that.

Bot, I apologize for the insensitive remarks of other people who have the same genitalia as me. As I am sure you do not want to be linked to paedophiles through AS (if you have it), I don't want want to be linked to them through my gender.