Is Aspergers or HFA too frequently diagnosed?

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15 Sep 2007, 10:40 am

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The fact is, my issues cause me problems with my life and I need help with them. The doctors were willing to immediately diagnose me with depression, which I do have, but my depression causes me fewer problems in life than my aspie-like traits. So I'm in the stupid situation where they're failing to treat my most serious problems because they don't fit nicely into any 'boxes'. If calling it Asperger's will get someone to help me, then let them call it that. But my problems are what they are, whatever you call them. It's a bit like arguing whether someone who is 5'5" is short. It doesn't matter what you call it. They are 5'5", that is the information you need about their height.


Zamzara, same here. I'm also tired of doctors diagnosing me with depression when my aspie-like traits are the ones that are causing problems in my life. Just wanted to point out, though, that there isn't really a treatment for AS, so maybe the doctors are right in putting us on antidepressants.



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15 Sep 2007, 11:24 am

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Zamzara wrote:
The fact is, my issues cause me problems with my life and I need help with them. The doctors were willing to immediately diagnose me with depression, which I do have, but my depression causes me fewer problems in life than my aspie-like traits. So I'm in the stupid situation where they're failing to treat my most serious problems because they don't fit nicely into any 'boxes'. If calling it Asperger's will get someone to help me, then let them call it that. But my problems are what they are, whatever you call them. It's a bit like arguing whether someone who is 5'5" is short. It doesn't matter what you call it. They are 5'5", that is the information you need about their height.


Zamzara, same here. I'm also tired of doctors diagnosing me with depression when my aspie-like traits are the ones that are causing problems in my life. Just wanted to point out, though, that there isn't really a treatment for AS, so maybe the doctors are right in putting us on antidepressants.

try pyschologists instead of pyschiatrists,they are not able to prescribe medication directly,so have to help in other ways.



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15 Sep 2007, 12:01 pm

Let us hope that in the future there will be specific PHYSICAL characteristics of people with AS that can be diagnosed. I am speaking here of things such as coordination problems with the arms and legs. I noticed one forum devoted to "Throwing a ball," and I related instantly to that one, as many people with AS seem to have great difficulty throwing and catching balls. They also tend to walk "funny"--such as with a bouncy step or overly rigid step. I have both types of steps at times. Flexibility might also be a problem with Aspies. I am drawn to forums here where PHYSICAL attributes are discussed, as they might be the key to really deciding who has AS and who doesn't. For example, one forum dealt with dominant hands and eyes, with right-handers seeming to be more common among Aspies. Things such as this should be discussed in greater depth by the professionals, I believe. We all know that psychological traits are hard to pin down. After all, who hasn't experienced depression, day-dreaming, etc., many times in their lives.



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15 Sep 2007, 12:53 pm

Right-handedness is overwhelmingly common among the general population.



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15 Sep 2007, 4:38 pm

Listen! I have Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD, and from my understanding, "Aspergians", tend to be recluses for the rest of their lives, who have significant problems with everyday functioning and relating to people, as well as auditory perception difficulties, and an excellent memory for facts related to their special interest. They also posess ill knowledge of popular culture and trends, a characteristic tendency for falling into rigid patterns of behavior and having narrow interests. I, have an I.Q. of 187, and have frustrated that psychologists have been diagnosing individuals who are married, have only somewhat mediocre social skills, have mmany friends, and do not have consuming, narrow interests-and, no people with solely A.D.H.D. are not autistic at all. People with Asperger's actually think about their actions and do not practice so much hyperactive, disruptive behavior, even if they have a dual diagnosis of ADHD. People with Asperger's syndrome, are notably morally concerned in not breaking the law, unless they are not aware thaty what they are doing is wrong (in which case it relates to their special interest). People with AS also have never been commited of such crimes as Assault, Rape, Murder, or related crimes, and are morally undisposed to swearing-unless they are very unaware-which ADHD individuals have been. I'm sick of people overdiagnosing Asperger's Syndrome! Those who actually have it (including myself), rarely ever make friends, and would be repulsed at the very thought of getting married, having children, or practicing any sexually-involved actions. We are almost not human in that we are so strange, and very "out of this world", self-absorbed, impractical/pragmatic individuals, who cherish our individuality, and are labeled by a very rare, unique diagnosis, not just for every "nerd" or "geek". Pheew! Thanks for listening.

-Sincerely, Nico!

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15 Sep 2007, 5:45 pm

So only people who fit your personal self-definition count? Okay...



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15 Sep 2007, 6:06 pm

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A psychologist was telling me recently that he does not give a diagnosis of AS or HFA all that easily, He believes it is becoming the new trendy disorder like RSI used to be in the past He believes although he considered that I was clearly a candidate for it as I have all the symptoms such as poor commination and social skills and excessive fixations and obsessions, emotional and sensory issues going right back to my childhood he has number of patients who, although they insisted they were HFA or AS he prefers to instead label them with some other disorder such as social anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder or OCD largely because they have no childhood history of the disorder. Even if there is some childhood history he considers there are other more common developmental disorders such as the old ADHD they were originally diagnosed with and is now going out of fashion and diagnosed them accordingly even if other psychologists have changed their diagnosed from ADHD/ADD to AS. He believes Aspergers Syndrome is still a very rare condition.

I can't say I fully agree with him but what do you think?

His approach is very subjective. Asperger's syndrome and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder both have a list of largely observable criteria to diagnose by. Considerations that it is too trendy are irrelevant. One can contend that the criteria themselves are flawed or the syndrome is not truly a related set of symptoms, but these are not questions of psychiatric trendiness.



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15 Sep 2007, 6:22 pm

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Listen! I have Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD, and from my understanding, "Aspergians", tend to be recluses for the rest of their lives, who have significant problems with everyday functioning and relating to people, as well as auditory perception difficulties, and an excellent memory for facts related to their special interest. They also posess ill knowledge of popular culture and trends, a characteristic tendency for falling into rigid patterns of behavior and having narrow interests. I, have an I.Q. of 187, and have frustrated that psychologists have been diagnosing individuals who are married, have only somewhat mediocre social skills, have mmany friends, and do not have consuming, narrow interests-and, no people with solely A.D.H.D. are not autistic at all. People with Asperger's actually think about their actions and do not practice so much hyperactive, disruptive behavior, even if they have a dual diagnosis of ADHD. People with Asperger's syndrome, are notably morally concerned in not breaking the law, unless they are not aware thaty what they are doing is wrong (in which case it relates to their special interest). People with AS also have never been commited of such crimes as Assault, Rape, Murder, or related crimes, and are morally undisposed to swearing-unless they are very unaware-which ADHD individuals have been. I'm sick of people overdiagnosing Asperger's Syndrome! Those who actually have it (including myself), rarely ever make friends, and would be repulsed at the very thought of getting married, having children, or practicing any sexually-involved actions. We are almost not human in that we are so strange, and very "out of this world", self-absorbed, impractical/pragmatic individuals, who cherish our individuality, and are labeled by a very rare, unique diagnosis, not just for every "nerd" or "geek". Pheew! Thanks for listening.

-Sincerely, Nico!

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This view is so extreme I'm wondering if it's meant to be ironic. Needless to say, you will find many, many people with Asperger's syndrome on these forums who are interested in romantic relationships, sex, and even raising children. I would agree that people who are married with children, have a gaggle of friends, and no obsessive interests are probably misdiagnosed (but then again there's a lot we probably don't know). For example, I have learned it is acceptable to curse in some contexts; in fact, it makes you come across as less "uptight." Also, impractical and pragmatic are antonyms. Also, the diagnosis is not meant to trumpet our "uniqueness" but to foster better self-awareness and provide a base point for seeking therapy, life skills development, or whatever the particular aspie individual needs to adapt to the world successfully.



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15 Sep 2007, 10:35 pm

Hi! By the way, I was more talking about the specific criteria, when I wrote my post'and I know that impractical and pragmatic are antonyms'I FORGEOT TO USE them in the wright context as I was typing fast' I meant to say that as INDIVIDUALKS often display diffuclites with pragmatics, such as in speech and language!! !!



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16 Sep 2007, 1:15 am

paulsinnerchild wrote:
A psychologist was telling me recently that he does not give a diagnosis of AS or HFA all that easily, He believes it is becoming the new trendy disorder like RSI used to be in the past He believes although he considered that I was clearly a candidate for it as I have all the symptoms such as poor commination and social skills and excessive fixations and obsessions, emotional and sensory issues going right back to my childhood he has number of patients who, although they insisted they were HFA or AS he prefers to instead label them with some other disorder such as social anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder or OCD largely because they have no childhood history of the disorder. Even if there is some childhood history he considers there are other more common developmental disorders such as the old ADHD they were originally diagnosed with and is now going out of fashion and diagnosed them accordingly even if other psychologists have changed their diagnosed from ADHD/ADD to AS. He believes Aspergers Syndrome is still a very rare condition.

I can't say I fully agree with him but what do you think?



Why would ANYONE want to be diagnosed with bipolar instead of Asperger's? I'm so glad I'm not bipolar. If someone "might" have Aspergers, how can you flippantly slap a bipolar diagnosis on them?



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16 Sep 2007, 1:34 am

19911 wrote:
Listen! I have Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD, and from my understanding, "Aspergians", tend to be recluses for the rest of their lives, who have significant problems with everyday functioning and relating to people, as well as auditory perception difficulties, and an excellent memory for facts related to their special interest. They also posess ill knowledge of popular culture and trends, a characteristic tendency for falling into rigid patterns of behavior and having narrow interests. I, have an I.Q. of 187, and have frustrated that psychologists have been diagnosing individuals who are married, have only somewhat mediocre social skills, have mmany friends, and do not have consuming, narrow interests-and, no people with solely A.D.H.D. are not autistic at all. People with Asperger's actually think about their actions and do not practice so much hyperactive, disruptive behavior, even if they have a dual diagnosis of ADHD. People with Asperger's syndrome, are notably morally concerned in not breaking the law, unless they are not aware thaty what they are doing is wrong (in which case it relates to their special interest). People with AS also have never been commited of such crimes as Assault, Rape, Murder, or related crimes, and are morally undisposed to swearing-unless they are very unaware-which ADHD individuals have been. I'm sick of people overdiagnosing Asperger's Syndrome! Those who actually have it (including myself), rarely ever make friends, and would be repulsed at the very thought of getting married, having children, or practicing any sexually-involved actions. We are almost not human in that we are so strange, and very "out of this world", self-absorbed, impractical/pragmatic individuals, who cherish our individuality, and are labeled by a very rare, unique diagnosis, not just for every "nerd" or "geek". Pheew! Thanks for listening.

-Sincerely, Nico!

Amen


I'm having a rough time wrapping my mind around this one. Since they say it is genetic, wouldn't that mean that PLENTY have gotten married or at least have kids? Granted, it is possible for some to not want anything to do with kids, or marriage, or any of that stuff... there are still plenty who would want to as well. It doesn't really strike me as odd for an Aspie to want and have a family.

I have 2 kiddos... yet, I also only have one person I talk to at all, and that is my boyfriend, and every once in a while I talk with his family, but not often. I prefer to hide for the most part and make my bracelets or draw :P


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16 Sep 2007, 8:12 am

There is the possibility that ASD has been made up by big pharma and psychiatry so that: 1)big profits can be made...and 2)psychiatry can justify it's existence. Some religions believe that maladies/ disorders are really the host being controlled by devils. Scientology believes that these behaviours could be explained by "body theatens" which are souls of aliens which have been roaming the earth for 75 million years and get attached to living people.

If any of the above is true, then the whole ASD diagnosis would be questionable and the rate of diagnosis would be far too high!! :?

Interesting that a number of posters believe that ADHD is "over diagnosed". Of the two disorders ASD has had the far greater growth rate. Some have described the growth rate as being explosive. From what I have read about the diagnosis of ADHD, that the portion that would be considered false positive would pale in comparison to the portion of the population that is ADHD but has never received a diagnosis. I imagine the same would be true of ASD.


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16 Sep 2007, 10:24 am

Big profits? With .6% of the population on a diagnosis for which hardly any medication is prescribed? I don't think so. With an estimated 15% for PD's psychiatry has no need for ASD's, not to mention that ASD's are fit better into the area of neuro-psychology then psychiatry and mentioning Scientology on a forum is a waste of IP-packets. So, there you go, none of them have any truth.



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Big profits? With .6% of the population on a diagnosis for which hardly any medication is prescribed? I don't think so. With an estimated 15% for PD's psychiatry has no need for ASD's, not to mention that ASD's are fit better into the area of neuro-psychology then psychiatry and mentioning Scientology on a forum is a waste of IP-packets. So, there you go, none of them have any truth.


The question about rates of diagnosis inevitably circle back to the question of the validity of the disorder. Half of my post simply examined common held beliefs from those who don't believe that disorders exist. These are minority or fringe viewpoints. No personal judgement was made as to whether these viewpoints held any validity, rather the post was simply exposing a facet of the topic that had not been explored.


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16 Sep 2007, 9:41 pm

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I'm having a rough time wrapping my mind around this one. Since they say it is genetic, wouldn't that mean that ...


I don't think it is genetic. I think there is a genetic component.

It's like heart disease - it can run in families. But certain diets and other things run in families as well, and we know that even when there is a genetic tendency, that tendency can be affected to various degrees by environmental factors.

Some muscular dystrophys are purely genetic - you either have the gene and have the disease, or you don't. I think ASDs are not so much either/or. While we don't know exactly why some people get ASDs or heart disease or psoriaisis, it is not simply genetics. It is genetics + other stuff.



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07 Dec 2007, 5:29 pm

Those who actually have it (including myself), rarely ever make friends, and would be repulsed at the very thought of getting married, having children, or practicing any sexually-involved actions. We are almost not human in that we are so strange, and very "out of this world", self-absorbed, impractical/pragmatic individuals, who cherish our individuality, and are labeled by a very rare, unique diagnosis, not just for every "nerd" or "geek". Pheew! Thanks for listening.( NIco here is what i think)

True that it is hard for People Like you to ever Make friends. However, i don't think that Most people who have autism are repulsed by the very thought of getting married, having children, or practicing any sexually- involved actions. I think that it is a personal choice rather than. a common shared one . I also think that there most be a reason behind it besides that you have autism . As for sexual things i think that its not that you are repulsed by it its just that you have a huge Phobia about it. I also dont think that people who are diffrent are strange. In fact i find it Intersting . I like making rare friends. Its true you are one of the nicest People i know / So i do think that you have an exellent Point/