Did it occur to you maybe you're Schizoid and not an Aspie?

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01 Jan 2008, 2:35 pm

I wasn't sure whether I had autism or this schizoid personality disorder until in the middle of my diagnosis. I had read text about people with other autism spectrum disorders than Asperger's first, but when I read texts from people with AS and got into conversations with AS adults, I wasn't so sure about being autistic any more. I talked to different people and I could relate to their core problems, but their whole histories were nothing like mine and the way their symptoms of AS showed wasn't at all like how my own 'weirdness' showed through. At this rate, a schizoid personality disorder seemed a lot more likely than AS.

It wasn't until I got to read some more articles from people, saw videos of very dedicated autistic adults from other points of the spectrum and interacted with some on message boards that I was sure again, because I could identify so much and knew all these things from my own childhood. I didn't question myself again after that, although I do meet some of the criteria for this personality disorder of course. But the reasons for meeting the symptoms if autism, which is interesting for it could invite so-called professionals to misdiagnose people, which is a horrible thing.

I wonder if it happens vice versa, people with this personality disorder diagnosed as autistic? I imagine that in the case the individual approaches a therapeutic way to better the symptoms it can cause as much harm as diagnosing an autistic person with the personality disorder and then putting that person in therapy also.



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01 Jan 2008, 4:09 pm

I don't know what criteria these "symptoms" would add up to for what diagnosis:

Feel so lonely - have suffered almost every day on this earth unable to make many lasting friends, being betrayed and backstabbed, misunderstood so many times that my ego wishes I could be happy alone...

always checking for phone messages, emails because I wish I had friends

don't understand people well -- I don't get their subtleties, jokes, nonverbal communication

I've been told that I am musically gifted by numerous people in my life, my only real quality.

People misunderstand me alot and think I'm a far worse human being than what I really am

Superior IQ

Huge descrepancy between verbal and quantitative I.Q.

Diagnosed with NLD/adhd, or PDD/NOS

Have voice prosody problems, don't realize I'm talking too loud sometimes

Exceptionally hearing (tested out of the range of normal human levels)

Sensitive to criticism (unlike the Schizoid)

Feel emotionally hurt and angry often because people hurt me so badly

I've have been described as "needy" (not schizoid)

talk excessively at times

clumsy

Hated wearing tight, constrictive clothing when I was a kid, no ruffles, or tight elastic.. I don't like to wear rings or tight things like that even today.

Horrible handwriting my entire life - was humiliated by teachers for this, scolded continuously

Troubles with math, however, I was an excellent speller in school


I wonder what "Syndrome" this all really is... Initially a therapist told me all I needed was confidence... but many labels later, I don't have much confidence and no one really seems to care.... I have had depression... However, Because I couldn't sleep well because of a back injury, someone wanted to give me the label manic-depression, but that isn't true. I thought i had Nonverbal Learning Disability after alot of extensive testing and that I FINALLY had the answer as to why people don't like me so I could change, but was told it could also be called PDD/NOS (some larger umbrella-type term?) Someone else told me it would be mild Asperger's if I had gotten tested in their clinic because they don't give out an NLD diagnosis because it's not formally in the DSM yet.. . My last visit to another clinic that I had to go to for a disability evaluation was just a 30 minute interview basically and a simple MMPI (the same test that had turned up with just Mild Social Phobia a month prior with another doctor) and that got me the label "schizoid", but I'm not that either.... I'm tired of all the labels....... I want to feel accepted and loved, I want to feel like I belong somewhere. I thought I had that once.



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02 Jan 2008, 1:18 am

nominalist wrote:
Here is the quotation I mentioned earlier. The authors tentatively place the ASDs, ADHD, schizoid disorder, and others on the same spectrum. They also suggest that Asperger's, semantic-pragmatic disorder, right hemisphere learning disability, nonverbal learning disability, and schizoid disorder are different names for the same condition.

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The similarities between the symptoms and autistic spectrum disorders are actually significant when one looks at the symptoms associated with ADHD. In fact, when we examine them, they seem almost identical.... It has also been noted that there is a similarity between autistic disorder and Asperger's syndrome and that Asperger's syndrome goes under many different types of names, some of the names are semantic-pragmatic disorder, right hemisphere learning disability, nonverbal learning disability, and schizoid disorder.

Much of this confusion has come about by the way we diagnose these problems. We would like to believe that there is a lab test or an objective test somewhere that confirms the diagnosis of ADHD, OCD or Tourette's; but in fact, the diagnosis is purely subjective. There are no consistent anatomic or physical markers for these conditions. Most often, these disorders are diagnosed by a professional sitting down with a parent or teacher and reading to them a list of symptoms and checking off if the parent or teacher believes that the child manifests the relevant symptoms. However, even this process is not as clear-cut as it sounds. The list of symptoms is extremely vague and many of these symptoms are hard if not impossible to distinguish.

One problem, according to Linda Lotspeich ..., Director of the Stanford Pervasive Developmental Disorders Clinic, is that the rules in the DSM-IV do not work.... What is happening is that a group of symptoms is being called a disorder and if we add or subtract a few symptoms or make a few more severe, then it is called a different condition or syndrome. However, when we look at the areas of the brain involved in all these conditions, and the neurotransmitter systems involved, they are all basically the same. Therefore, in reality, these are all possibly the same problem along a spectrum of severity. The most common of all comorbidities is OCD, developmental coordination disorder or more simply put "clumsiness" or motor incoordination.

-- Robert Melillo and Gerry Leisman. Neurobehavioral Disorders of Childhood: An Evolutionary Perspective. New York: Springer. 2004. Page 11.


It is a great book, but the grammar is awful. Their editor must have been on vacation. ;-)

Note: I just corrected two minor copying errors.





I agree with this. In my research of these conditions on the internet, they all seem to be closely related to each other, with varying degrees of severity. What would be good, is if they would group the similar disorders together, then rate each person on a scale of severity, like between 1-50 or whatever. Say, for instance, such and such person has "X" disorder - Level 25. That would mean that their functioning level is in the middle part of the spectrum.

Let me know your thoughts on this.



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02 Jan 2008, 1:46 am

jason_b1980 wrote:
I agree with this. In my research of these conditions on the internet, they all seem to be closely related to each other, with varying degrees of severity. What would be good, is if they would group the similar disorders together, then rate each person on a scale of severity, like between 1-50 or whatever. Say, for instance, such and such person has "X" disorder - Level 25. That would mean that their functioning level is in the middle part of the spectrum.

Let me know your thoughts on this.


Since I am a sociologist, not a neurologist, I am not qualified to directly comment on the quotation I posted. I just posted it for discussion. However, at least some researchers are moving toward classifying conditions, syndromes, etc. based on the brain centers where the neurotransmission is localized. From that standpoint, the fact that ASDs, OCD, semantic-pragmatic disorder, nonverbal learning disability, and others have high comorbidity rates may be significant.


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02 Jan 2008, 9:48 pm

It's funny that this topic came up now lol. Sorry if someone else already mentioned it, but I just finished reading The Center Cannot Hold by Dr. Elyn Saks that described her life with schizophrenia (she's a law professor at USC now). In it, she described how someone who didn't know about her diagnosis gave her an article on AS and asked her if it sounded like her. She came up with the same answer I did (looking at it from the opposite direction), that some of the diagnostic criteria sounded familiar. The biggest differences seemed to be the delusions and disconnects from reality that she suffered from time to time. I'd recommend the book to anyone here.