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08 Dec 2004, 3:21 pm

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The spirit is unlimmited in itself, when it has left the body. The body is a kind of limitation, for you to grow. The brain might be damaged, but that doesn't mean, that the "self" isn't there. It just can't express itself nomore, 'cause the things it needs, to do that, is damaged. It's like you wanna use your arm, but if it's amputated, you cant. That doesn't mean that "you", who want your arm back, insn't there anymore. The body intervents the things, your spirit normally would be able to.

How do you know this?

I admit the idea of an afterlife is very comforting, no one wants to "cease to exist", but there isn't any convincing evidence for it, anywhere. No one has ever come back from the dead to tell us anything, and all signs point to the fact that when you die, you're gone.



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08 Dec 2004, 5:29 pm

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What does emotions have to do with having a spirit?????


Think of what things are. Stardust, or atoms.

A chair, a tree, a cat, a person. All made of the same stuff. What makes a person different to a chair? Think about it. :)



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08 Dec 2004, 6:40 pm

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What a lot of you are describing sounds like hallucinations. I have never seen any kind of spirits, UFOs, or other such nonsense.


Neither have I. And if I ever did see a ghost, I must've mistaken it for the light. :roll:

I believe in hallucinations, but, of course, I have never actually seen a ghost or anything of that sort. And if I did happen to once, I either don't remember it or I mistook it for the light or something.

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08 Dec 2004, 6:48 pm

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I'm not sure if I was just imagining it, but this weird thing happened to me one time. I had the house to myself, and I was sitting in front of the computer. Then all of the sudden I...I guess you could say I sensed something. It's very hard to describe, and it scared the living daylights out of me. Whatever it was, it sort of walked around me, and then it left.


Was there a light nearby? Or were you really tired? Please explain in more detail, for I think it could have been some sort of bright light or something.

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08 Dec 2004, 10:29 pm

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What a lot of you are describing sounds like hallucinations.


I am open to that possibility, as well.

But I find dwelling on it to be counter-productive.

Previous to learning of Asperger's, I was terrified that I was developping schizophrenia (since I have many of the negative symptoms). However, since these "ghost sitings" occur so infrequently, since I am aware of their oddness, and since I know that atleast one of my experiences is very similiar to someone else's I know who lived in the same house, I am inclined to think that it's real. Usually after seeing one of these things, I start to doubt my sanity, but there's really no point in that, so I now just sort of accept it as it is.



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09 Dec 2004, 12:15 pm

Arashi wrote:
starchild wrote:
The spirit is unlimmited in itself, when it has left the body. The body is a kind of limitation, for you to grow. The brain might be damaged, but that doesn't mean, that the "self" isn't there. It just can't express itself nomore, 'cause the things it needs, to do that, is damaged. It's like you wanna use your arm, but if it's amputated, you cant. That doesn't mean that "you", who want your arm back, insn't there anymore. The body intervents the things, your spirit normally would be able to.

How do you know this?

I admit the idea of an afterlife is very comforting, no one wants to "cease to exist", but there isn't any convincing evidence for it, anywhere. No one has ever come back from the dead to tell us anything, and all signs point to the fact that when you die, you're gone.


I do get what you say.
But it's not entirely true, that people haven't, come back from the dead. I've read alot of stuff about it.
Try and visit; www.near-death.com, I think it comes rather close to the truth, about what happens when you die, because it's based on, peoples own experiences.
Like I said before, I experienced it myself, having left my body. I'm also developing a gift, to see spirits.
My perspective is that, humans only see a fraction on, what's going on, in this world.



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09 Dec 2004, 12:30 pm

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My cat often looks at nothing, or just above people, and once followed apparently nothing right around the room with her eyes.


Once My oldest cat sam (9 yrs old) was with me in bed. Suddenly started to stare above me at the upper corner of the room! stood there for while appeared to be "following" it with his eyes. I turned to look and nothing there, But that did not break his stare as it normallt does. dam* cat creeped me out so much I went downstairs and slept on the couch!


If your cat doesn't act up, I don't think there's any need to worry. It could have been a loved one, or a spiritguide, keeping an eye on you. If you are scared, just focus on love, and light surounding you.



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09 Dec 2004, 1:53 pm

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I have a question. Does anyone have any idea what the thing I sensed could have been if it was paranormal or supernatural?


I stumbled acros this website; www.realmscape.org it might help you determine, what you felt saw. Or try this site www.ghoststudy.com



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09 Dec 2004, 5:04 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
A chair, a tree, a cat, a person. All made of the same stuff. What makes a person different to a chair? Think about it. :)


*thinks* A person is an idea, whereas a chair is an object. Each of our bodies have a person in them, a personality, a soul or what ever you like to call it. Our body and our brain is in a particular shape that defines who we are. You can't compare a person to a chair, though you could compare a person to the shape of a chair. People are a much more complex and dynamic shape than that of a chair though. Both us and chairs move and change if enough useful energy is provided to us. Our shape doesn't need as much energy to move though, and can maintain homeostasis.

The difference between a human body and a chair is that a human body has a different shape. There are different shapes and configurations of human bodies and chairs, i.e. microstates, but the general category of 'living human' and 'chair', i.e. macrostates are different due to order and composition of atoms mostly. Unfortunately the process from going from the macrostate of 'living human' to the state of 'dead human' is apparantly one-way and irreversible. We haven't found the fountain of youth yet that's for sure.

And the biggest problem overall is that the person in each of our bodies does not ever return from that ultimate disorder, once the body dies. If you can answer where a macrostate goes when it is replaced with a macrostate with more entropy (i.e. living => dead), then you'll be pointing straight at the afterlife.

I got the terms macrostate, microstate, entropy and disorder from Physics class, so anyone not knowing them can study Thermodynamics to learn if they so choose.



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10 Feb 2005, 6:54 pm

ASMAN wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
My cat often looks at nothing, or just above people, and once followed apparently nothing right around the room with her eyes.


Once My oldest cat sam (9 yrs old) was with me in bed. Suddenly started to stare above me at the upper corner of the room! stood there for while appeared to be "following" it with his eyes. I turned to look and nothing there, But that did not break his stare as it normallt does. dam* cat creeped me out so much I went downstairs and slept on the couch!


Sammie did that once. She all of the sudden started following something around through the wall with her eyes. i thought it might have been a moth (our house is infested by them), but when i looked up, i saw nothing.
I wasn't too phased about it, though, so i just continued watching Letterman.


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