Sleep deprivation makes everyone an Aspie...

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01 Feb 2008, 8:16 pm

Ok, I'm reading this book called Sleepfaring by Jim Horne, which is all about sleep and what happens when you are deprived of it. Here are some of the characteristics of sleep deprivation:

- difficulty "comprehending and coping with a rapidly changing situation" (p 75)
- difficulty empathizing "with other people and detecting subtleties in their behaviour" (p 76)
- "flattened" intonation when speaking, little emotion (pp 76-77)
- lack of facial expression
- "disregard for normal social conventions" (p 80)
- "inappropriate interpersonal behaviours" (p 80)
- lose ability to "sense the feelings of others...fail to see what lies behind what someone is saying or in his or her gestures" (p 83)

I was reading it and thinking, "That reminds me of Asperger's!" I guess Aspie traits come out when a person is sleep-deprived... :wink:



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01 Feb 2008, 9:14 pm

Heh, that does sound very familiar.
I would speculate that the main difference between waking Aspieness and mere sleep deprivation would be how evenly the awareness is spread. Those sleep-deprivation symptoms can mainly be linked to decreased sensitivity to surroundings/situations as well as disconnection from the signals one is putting forth unconsciously. An Aspie may be equally unaware of some of those things, but for different reasons: They may have increased sensitivity to individual stimuli and/or the details may overwhelm the whole to the point of making snap judgements a chore. (I am probably not describing the entire Aspie population with any sort of accuracy, but as a subset of what is known to be personally, I hope I have said something that may make logical sense in some part of the space-time continuum somewhere... ^^')



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01 Feb 2008, 9:34 pm

....and when your a sleep deprived Aspie it gets even worse.



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01 Feb 2008, 9:43 pm

Heres another one: sometimes if im sleep-deprived, going out into bright sunshine is really uncomfortable.



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01 Feb 2008, 10:42 pm

Wow. If that's the case, then being in the army was the worse thng for me to do when I was young and stupid... :P

Seriously though, I never new that before. Gunna have to buy that book and read it now.



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02 Feb 2008, 12:20 am

ShadesOfMe wrote:
....and when your a sleep deprived Aspie it gets even worse.


on that contrary, I find that with less sleep, my symptoms lessen. that and when I'm drunk.



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02 Feb 2008, 12:29 am

I'm with dracula on this one, I feel much more socially capable when I'm a little bit strung out from lack of sleep. Of course how I see myself and how I actually come across are two very different things. :oops:



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02 Feb 2008, 1:36 am

Adrie wrote:
Ok, I'm reading this book called Sleepfaring by Jim Horne, which is all about sleep and what happens when you are deprived of it. Here are some of the characteristics of sleep deprivation:

- difficulty "comprehending and coping with a rapidly changing situation" (p 75)
- difficulty empathizing "with other people and detecting subtleties in their behaviour" (p 76)
- "flattened" intonation when speaking, little emotion (pp 76-77)
- lack of facial expression
- "disregard for normal social conventions" (p 80)
- "inappropriate interpersonal behaviours" (p 80)
- lose ability to "sense the feelings of others...fail to see what lies behind what someone is saying or in his or her gestures" (p 83)

I was reading it and thinking, "That reminds me of Asperger's!" I guess Aspie traits come out when a person is sleep-deprived... :wink:


Very interesting.


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02 Feb 2008, 4:17 am

I'll admit a bit of sleep deprivation seems to "perk" me up a bit in the social skills department (because I might not be so enthusiastic about dominating conversations :) ), usually if it's more than a little, I tend to feel awful and not really that inclined to work at handing social situations, since those require extra effort.

Other than that, I don't see sleep deprivation related to aspergers at all.



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02 Feb 2008, 6:55 am

With sleep deprivation, there is a loss of inhibition, which probably accounts for feeling more sociable. Or maybe sleep deprivation for Aspies is like Ritalin for people with ADHD - it has the opposite effect on us, LOL.

No, I don't really think sleep deprivation and AS are related, but it was weird to see those similarities.



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02 Feb 2008, 7:24 am

Dracula wrote:
ShadesOfMe wrote:
....and when your a sleep deprived Aspie it gets even worse.


on that contrary, I find that with less sleep, my symptoms lessen. that and when I'm drunk.


Sleep deprivation just makes everything far worse for me. Little things stress me out very easily, small sounds hurt, bright light can be overwhelming(especially fluorescent lights the buzz :evil: ), I can hardly stand having people around me, I hate talking and all around very irritable. I normally have those above traits to some extent but when I am really tired they are amplified (especially when it comes to noise and light).



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03 Feb 2008, 1:44 am

I would agree with that. I've always believed autism was nothing more than parts of the brain staying asleep while others awaken, leaving you sleepwalking. We rock and stim (or talk nonstop for some Aspies) to wake up those parts of the brain. I'm far less autistic after strong coffee, though it has a rebound effect after a few hours.



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03 Feb 2008, 10:50 am

Actually some of the times I have felt most comfortable in a group of NT's has been when we have all been sleep deprived. Then I actually find they are more delibated than me and I actually come into my own as the playing field has now been leveled. I worked a shift job for a while so this was a regular occurrence on the night shifts.



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03 Feb 2008, 12:27 pm

I tend to be sleep deprived a lot. Maybe if I get more sleep, the AS traits will go away! :D



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03 Feb 2008, 12:33 pm

One of my friends at the Aspie social skills group party was really tired and acting autistic/wierd at first, but when he perked up he became normal and fun and alert. :)



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03 Feb 2008, 1:11 pm

Adrie wrote:
maybe sleep deprivation for Aspies is like Ritalin for people with ADHD - it has the opposite effect on us, LOL.


I think dopamine is low in about 1 in 4 aspies and sleep deprivation temporarily increases dopamine. Ritalin works by increasing dopamine. I think low dopamine causes underactivity in some people and hyperactivity in others and increasing dopamine helps normalize activity. So I think you're right that sleep deprivation for Aspies being like Ritalin and ADHD.