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15 Feb 2008, 12:35 am

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I have this problem at times, but I'm getting much better at it. Now that I'm expecting to misinterpret humor and context, I analyze it more before I react..

I run into the opposite problem all the time, though. A lot of NTs can't tell that I'm joking because I deliver a lot of one-liners completely deadpan. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the context is, they won't laugh until I start a smile. In the meantime there's an awkward "is he joking?" silence. Once they know that I do this, they think I'm hilarious... I watch NTs make deadpan jokes without a problem.. Either there's something extra I'm missing or my sense of humor is just that different.


Same here. I have had people not be able to tell that I was joking. And when I say that I was, indeed just joking, they think I am lying to cover up a lapse of some kind. (The way they always seem to do.) :x


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15 Feb 2008, 11:48 am

hypermorphic wrote:
I have this problem at times, but I'm getting much better at it. Now that I'm expecting to misinterpret humor and context, I analyze it more before I react..

I run into the opposite problem all the time, though. A lot of NTs can't tell that I'm joking because I deliver a lot of one-liners completely deadpan. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the context is, they won't laugh until I start a smile. In the meantime there's an awkward "is he joking?" silence. Once they know that I do this, they think I'm hilarious... I watch NTs make deadpan jokes without a problem.. Either there's something extra I'm missing or my sense of humor is just that different.


I've had that problem too! There must be some facial expression or some body language or something we might be missing, I'm not sure.



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15 Feb 2008, 11:49 am

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I've had people say things with a perfectly straight face, and then get highly amused when I took it seriously.


A group of girls from my old high school used to do this to me for fun. They would say something such as..."Yea, and my uncle flew to Mars yesterday," and then stand there and wait for my reaction [which was generally confusion or disbelief] and then laugh while proceeding to tell me that they were joking.
I'm thankful that i'm not at high school anymore. Also, thankful that I don't take everything literally anymore.


They sound like a bunch of jerks!



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15 Feb 2008, 11:52 am

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Adult adaption to NT society and methods of communication often distort the diagnosis of AS.

I had never heard the Get Hammered, get Nailed. I would have suggested it meant... if you get drunk, you'll get sex. Probably warning girls off consuming too much alcohol.



I wondered about that doctor's test of idioms, especially with older Aspie adults, since most people probably would have learned the standard ones.

The "Drive hammered, get nailed" was an anti-drunk driving ad campaign we had in Washington state (USA) a few years back.



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15 Feb 2008, 3:20 pm

I used to never realize when other kids were being sarcastic. I remember when I was in ninth grade, a classmate said, "I gave up cigarettes for heroin." The other kids laughed, but I didn't realize it was a joke until years later. I thought they were laughing because it was a stupid thing to do.

Now I can tell when someone's joking like that, but I never get the tone right in my reply. I always respond with something equally sarcastic and then they say, "I wasn't serious!", roll their eyes, and look at me like I'm crazy. :?

Anyway, I think that "taking thing literally" means taking words and statements at face value instead of considering their symbolic meanings and the tone in which they were expressed.



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15 Feb 2008, 3:30 pm

I have found that it goes both ways--- sometimes someone will say something that really isn't true ( and somehow I'm supposed to know this) and I believe it and reply to their statement as if it were true. They then say "I was being facetious" or " I was joking".
I decided to see if I could trick people around me with statements that were NOT true, but delivered with a straight face ( to see if it was the way a statement was presented). It usually worked--- people would believe me, and then I'd go " Nah, I was only joking.". That part wasn't always warmly welcomed...
So I think many people can be fooled based on what appears to be sincerity on the teller's part.
As far as idioms and figures of speech go--- I've heard many of them over the years and know what they mean. If I hear a new one, I'll ask what it means and possibly use it in the furure.



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15 Feb 2008, 8:18 pm

Norah_W wrote:
hypermorphic wrote:
I have this problem at times, but I'm getting much better at it. Now that I'm expecting to misinterpret humor and context, I analyze it more before I react..

I run into the opposite problem all the time, though. A lot of NTs can't tell that I'm joking because I deliver a lot of one-liners completely deadpan. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the context is, they won't laugh until I start a smile. In the meantime there's an awkward "is he joking?" silence. Once they know that I do this, they think I'm hilarious... I watch NTs make deadpan jokes without a problem.. Either there's something extra I'm missing or my sense of humor is just that different.


I've had that problem too! There must be some facial expression or some body language or something we might be missing, I'm not sure.


After a few moment's reflection, I'm wondering if there aren't several ways to signal deadpan humor. These occur to me off the top of my head:

1. Prior establishment of a good mood/friendly demeanor.. goes back to the NT Implausible Threat Detection System
2. Eyes opened slightly wider
3. Increased prosody. High pitches are a little higher, lows a little lower. Sarcasm tends to have all the important words start high and end low, with the in-betweens all low and flat.

You would think someone would have studied and cataloged these at some point. Maybe there's research out there to be found about it.



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15 Feb 2008, 11:11 pm

I don't have issues with figures of speech. My big issue is that I totally suck at getting sarcasm that sounds plausible and is said with a straight face. I also have trouble "reading between the lines" and thus miss "common sense" assumptions hidden in the speech, which causes me to leave something half done because I miss things that are implied by what is said.


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16 Feb 2008, 12:57 am

My worst experience with this was when they were having a party at work and we were all told to bring a plate - so I did.

I was severely embarrassed when I discovered that "Bring a Plate" meant "Bring one with food on it" - luckily there were shops nearby.



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16 Feb 2008, 5:15 am

LOL @ gbollard!

I did that once, but with a tray. But I only got halfway there when my mum called me up and asked me why I left the house with just an empty tray. So I was only half of a goose.



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16 Feb 2008, 5:33 am

A few years ago my neighbour asked me if I'd look after her rabbits while she was on holiday. She showed me the room where they kept the food and bedding, and a jug she'd filled up with water.

We went over to the hutch and she pointed at the water holder and said, "when that starts to run out, put the jug of water in there".

So, when the water in the holder started to run out, I went and got the whole jug of water and put it in the hutch. Lo and behold, within a minute the rabbits had kicked the jug over and the whole hutch was soaking wet. Why oh why didn't the woman jst say "use the jug of water to fill up the water holder". It would have avoided that whole stupid situation. People should be more specific! :oops: :oops: :oops:



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16 Feb 2008, 1:15 pm

is taking things literally means gullible as well? because i get that a lot. my friends told me some things which is obviously false, but i was like, "Really? tell me more". of course, i just stood there looking all stupid like when he said ," i was just kidding man!".



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16 Feb 2008, 1:57 pm

I start to take things more literally when I don't get it. I guess that could be worse. But I always take things literally unless I've already encountered a "joking" situation that's been explained to me previously.


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16 Feb 2008, 3:08 pm

I rarely know if someone is joking or trying to offend me :x .



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16 Feb 2008, 3:15 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
SilverProteus wrote:
TheMidnightJudge wrote:
I used to always have a hard time knowing when someone was joking.


Ditto.


Me too.


It's odd that I can 'get' humour in movies - especially those older ones from the 60s and 70s, but modern humour leaves me totally cold. As for people joking - I have never been able to spot 'sarcasm' or 'irony', and the only kind of joke I can make is a pun, and even then only really bad ones. Often people will say a deadpan line, and I'm left silent and a bit confused, and will reply as if it were literally true, or 'not sure', and then they'll say 'Joke, geddit?'

Nope, I don't...



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16 Feb 2008, 6:43 pm

googlewhack wrote:
A few years ago my neighbour asked me if I'd look after her rabbits while she was on holiday. She showed me the room where they kept the food and bedding, and a jug she'd filled up with water.

We went over to the hutch and she pointed at the water holder and said, "when that starts to run out, put the jug of water in there".

So, when the water in the holder started to run out, I went and got the whole jug of water and put it in the hutch. Lo and behold, within a minute the rabbits had kicked the jug over and the whole hutch was soaking wet. Why oh why didn't the woman jst say "use the jug of water to fill up the water holder". It would have avoided that whole stupid situation. People should be more specific! :oops: :oops: :oops:


That is EXACTLY the kind of problem I have. I wish people were more precise! :x


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