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13 Nov 2005, 8:35 pm

I had pretty much every friend in elementary school stop speaking to me or move away. Then one of the ones who moved away moved back and stopped speaking to me.

Ironically, I then became sorta friendly with another friend that person had stopped speaking to. And in sixth grade I got to know four kids in the grades below me, two as friends, and several of the kids in my class too.

They matured and I matured.

And even when I had no friends, I was happy just being friends with the teachers and my parent's friends. I still spent most of my time alone, and I liked it that way.

I have a friend with AS all of whose friends abandoned her at once in eighth grade. She seems to have recovered and now doesn't keep close friends either.

Still, I suppose that it takes close relationships to make one appreciate solitude.

Oh, an interesting point that my mother brought up:

In seventh grade, they gave me Zoloft (An ADD/ADHD unlike the vast majority of teenage males, I am NOT diagnosed/misdiagnosed with one of those dysfunctions). I went, insane, violent, delusional, volatile, and paranoid.
Since then I've heard of others with AS having the same reaction.

Freund was, as I understand it, medicated, no?


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13 Nov 2005, 9:08 pm

I've also had a severe agressive response to Zoloft. I was not aware that was common AS reaction.


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13 Nov 2005, 10:10 pm

CDRhom wrote:
I've also had a severe agressive response to Zoloft. I was not aware that was common AS reaction.

Common enough that you'd think they'd know better by now.
Every person with AS I've met who tried Zoloft (admittedly few) has had such a response.


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14 Nov 2005, 6:15 am

Quintucket wrote:
And even when I had no friends, I was happy just being friends with the teachers and my parent's friends. I still spent most of my time alone, and I liked it that way.


i could never be okay with just being friends with the teachers and my parents. okay they care about me, but they do not like me and never laugh at my jokes and we have nothing in common. i quit highschool cause i was so outside of the group, i felt like i was missing out on everything, i felt like i was on display "the crying girl with no friends" yet so invisible. now people assume i like being alone, but its not true at all, i have just gotten used to it. i dont think its okay to say "hey, maybe u dont NEED friends, u seem to enjoy spending time alone all the time" (that was a quote from my mom...)



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14 Nov 2005, 7:07 am

Before I met Anna I preferred to be alone, and for the most part I still do. Sometimes I feel like I need a girlfriend in my life, but a lot of the time I don’t care.

I started taking Zoloft for my depression and it was fine at first and it really helped, but after awhile something changed. I felt more “needy” and I did a lot of reaching out to other people. This is when I met Anna. Anyways, Zoloft raised my blood pressure from below normal to dangerous levels, and I know it was the drug because once I stopped taking Zoloft my blood pressure returned to low normal. I started having very emotional episodes, psychotic delusions, and aggressive feelings. When I was on Zoloft I thought about ways of killing myself, and I must admit I thought about it way more on the drug then off of it.

Anna was a fool, because she gave up on me and went to go be with some guy from the Cayman Islands who beats her up. She wont even talk to me.



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14 Nov 2005, 3:24 pm

Dark Schizo, I read some post claiming that there is like a date group for people with AS here ("Relationships" link?).

You could try that?

I recall that I had a similar feeling, my friends always seemed to stop speaking to me. Eventually I learned that distance helps.

berta wrote:
i could never be okay with just being friends with the teachers and my parents.

Not my parents, the adults, our next-door neighbors and such, and my adult relatives.

When I was little I called all my teachers by their first names if I could learn that "some of them really hated it" and generally preferred to talk with adults with my peers.
Things changed as I entered middle school and high school though.
I still talk to some of my teachers about stuff a lot though.


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19 Nov 2005, 10:31 am

This is very sad. :cry: So many people who are unusual seem to end up being bullied through School and than they have absolutley nobody to turn to. Kids are like Birds. They find someone who's just a little bit different, than they keep pecking at that person. I refer to it as the Pecking Order. And than the Victim doesn't feel that they can trust anybody. Who's going to believe someone who's on the Autism Spectrum, unless they're on the Spectrum, themselves?



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24 Nov 2005, 10:41 am

Sic transit gloria mundi...


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25 Nov 2005, 12:53 pm

I'm sorry William had to choose the desperate decision that killed two innocents and himself. This was certaintly a tragic ending that could've possibly been avoided.



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25 Nov 2005, 5:26 pm

It makes it easier for me to avoid such behavior when I realize that if I do it I am acting out someone else's fantasies and not my own. A lot of the things that we think about other people are actually reflections of their behavior and emotions. They may wind up distorted, or they may be dead on but we can't quite put them in perspective. The victim of this thing, whatever you want to call it, is under the influence of something that he or she cannot control if he or she does not know it exists and has no idea what can be done about it. It is obvious in many cases that the victim will not be able to stop what the people outside of him do. Too much of our ways of dealing with it involve drugging ourselves insensible.

Where it makes a person want to bang his head against the wall or otherwise injure himself is where "they" watch for signs that their victim is handling it and do things to stop him from handling it. Humiliation for me is still holding me at the edge of the volcano. The only purpose that humiliation serves is to tell a person that he will have no control over his life as long as the server of that humiliation is alive and functioning. Maybe most of the time the server doesn't realize that he or she has done that. It's a "social skill" that helps get rid of unreasonable people and clingers. Handling such humiliation is a sort of social skill, too, involving knowing the status of the server and deciding whether revenge is appropriate, or writing it off, or whatever. The revenge from some people can include spreading nasty rumors about the person who humilated them and ruining his life and reputation in that town and several others. This is not, for the record, what I would call "handling it." It is a way to say that the bullying person or bunch has actually taken the humiliation at least as badly as the school shooter. They just behave destructively in a more socially acceptable manner. God help us for what society accepts. But a 6 foot plus, 200 pound plus muscle-bound idiot who does that is just another whiny crybaby in my book.



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27 Nov 2005, 5:20 pm

People in my life have wronged me, and most people are scum, period! Why not go out and slaughter them all? I choose not to. I would rather enjoy the other things in this life, and people are of little consequence to me. I will let the government eventually come to the same conclusion, and then we can remove the undesirables from society.
Eugenics is a worthy cause, and we should “remove” undesirables from society. Terrorists, career criminals, and violently insane people should all be “cleansed” of their worthless existence. Most mainstream religions, ideals, races of people, and organizations are without blame, and there are bad and good people from each of these groups. We just need to weed out the bad ones.

Why is it that most fanatical ideals are like "Ok, they aren't like us, and we have been "wronged", so lets kills someone!". There is a right time and place to kill someone, and it must serve a higher purpose. Killing filthy terrorists for example is a worthy cause. Kill as many of them as you can. Go USA.

People are naturally violent. We thrive on it. We can blame all the outside influences we want, but didn’t humans create those devices as well? So what came first; The violent people or the violent media?

Violence in the right hands is what makes us strong. It drives us, and it guides us, but senseless violence has no meaning, no effect, and no higher purpose.

War is what made us thrive. Baby boomers, the recovery of the economy, and even the advancements in science and medicine are a result of strife, conflict, and killing. Don’t get me wrong though, because wars should not be initiated blindly, and they should always have purpose.

Don’t give me this peace and love bullcrap either. Peace is always the result of war and death, and to secure the peace is to prepare for war. The pen isn’t stronger then the sword, because it writes in blood which was drawn from the sword, and the sword protects the freedom of the pen. Mercy is also a weakness. Mercy allows the undesirable to escape, spread his lies, and breed with other undesirables to propagate his or her own bad genes.

Let me define undesirable. A undesirable is a person that actively infringes on the rights and liberties of others via violence or other criminal offense. Harmless people with a mental disability would not be considered an undesirable, but a violent rapist would be.

Rapists and sex offenders should all be sterilized and imprisoned. They shouldn’t be allowed to spread their bad genes or harm anyone ever again.

Murders should be killed. Allowing them to possibly spread bad genes or hurt someone again is too much of a risk.

Thieves, gang members, and other violent criminals should be sterilized and imprisoned upon their third offense or first offense if it is heinous enough.

Natural selection. Weed out bad genes and society will reap the benefits.



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27 Nov 2005, 5:23 pm

Cronic bullies and kids who hurt animals should be sterilized, and killed in extream cases. Statistics show that these "wonderful" kids are the ones who become the criminals and even serial killers.

Even if you want to deny what I'm saying you know deep down that it is true. Natural selections is what guides everything. The very reason that domesticated animals are so docile and tame is because we killed the bad ones or did not breed them.



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02 Dec 2005, 4:36 pm

It is not up to anyone to decide on whether someone lives or dies. What if someone decided to kill all people with Asperger's? Would that be ok? People with asperger's could just as equally be viewed as "bad genes"by someone else.



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02 Dec 2005, 5:35 pm

But tolerating brutality has cost us lives and quality of life. Are we willing to continue to pay with our blood to allow the people who torture and kill us to continue in comfort, or to continue at all? Every time we let things happen, we bleed and die.



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03 Dec 2005, 12:15 am

Darth_Malik wrote:
Cronic bullies and kids who hurt animals should be sterilized, and killed in extream cases. Statistics show that these "wonderful" kids are the ones who become the criminals and even serial killers.


Yeah, let's sterilize everyone who might become a criminal someday. :roll:



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03 Dec 2005, 2:45 pm

I can't believe how long I've overlooked this topic. I was so unaware of what's been going on it's amazing. What a sad story.

Just one question, what was William Freund's username on here?


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