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velodog
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17 Apr 2008, 8:11 pm

WatcherAzazel wrote:
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Even though there seems to be a heavy Bias against the Military on Wrong Planet I have never regretted my decision to serve.


Personally, I have nothing against the military. I have more of a problem with the president having absolute authority over it. I want to come up with some system where, in the event of catestrophic incompetence (ie Iraq) in the white house, some third-party group (possibly the UN or NATO) has the authority to give the army a direct order to stand down, arrest the president, and escort him to some internationally held territory for trial (assuming that, like Bush, his orders constituted war crimes). Of course, we'd also need to make sure the system prevented orders like "invade your own country" from being obeyed (not that the soldiers would likely obey them anyway), but still have it provide a check on US imperialism and Executive power. If that happened I can imagine alot of the anti-military sentiment would go away. Regardless, I disaprove of alot of things the US military is currently doing, I don't think it's the military's fault, though.

Just letting you know. :D


If Congress had exercised the power that the Constitution grants to them, instead of ceding it in a manner that gave them the option of either taking a bow for an easy victory or plausible deniability like many are exercising now, then this situation would not exist. I'm not suggesting you let Bush off the hook, just hold the Senate and House responsible for their own wienie conduct that contributed to the situation. Given the shoddy history of the UN, I absolutely do not trust them to run anything right. Aside from that, there is no way in hell to allow foreign military occupation that I would agree to.

How would you sell that plan to the American Public?



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18 Apr 2008, 9:35 pm

Technically, I could say that I was raised in a Conservative Christian home. My parents were never strict, though. And I firmly believe that being raised in a conservative leaning home was definitely an asset. My parents pushed me, but always, always loved me. I was sheltered from things I know I could not have handled then. And most important, they introduced me to my Lord, who gives me hope and keeps me going!



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18 Apr 2008, 10:11 pm

SusyQ wrote:
Technically, I could say that I was raised in a Conservative Christian home. My parents were never strict, though. And I firmly believe that being raised in a conservative leaning home was definitely an asset. My parents pushed me, but always, always loved me. I was sheltered from things I know I could not have handled then. And most important, they introduced me to my Lord, who gives me hope and keeps me going!


Well said. :)

While I wasn't raised in a Christian home, I am striving to raise my kids in a home that is.
It makes for inner peace and contentment, and not given to chasing after the things that materialistic people chase after and only find misery.
Some people may not think leading a Christian life is very good, but if one is following the true Christian path, as opposed to a hypocritical Christian path, it has brought much happiness into my life, in spite of adversity.


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19 Apr 2008, 8:26 am

velodog wrote:
WatcherAzazel wrote:
velodog wrote:
Even though there seems to be a heavy Bias against the Military on Wrong Planet I have never regretted my decision to serve.


Personally, I have nothing against the military. I have more of a problem with the president having absolute authority over it. I want to come up with some system where, in the event of catestrophic incompetence (ie Iraq) in the white house, some third-party group (possibly the UN or NATO) has the authority to give the army a direct order to stand down, arrest the president, and escort him to some internationally held territory for trial (assuming that, like Bush, his orders constituted war crimes). Of course, we'd also need to make sure the system prevented orders like "invade your own country" from being obeyed (not that the soldiers would likely obey them anyway), but still have it provide a check on US imperialism and Executive power. If that happened I can imagine alot of the anti-military sentiment would go away. Regardless, I disaprove of alot of things the US military is currently doing, I don't think it's the military's fault, though.

Just letting you know. :D


If Congress had exercised the power that the Constitution grants to them, instead of ceding it in a manner that gave them the option of either taking a bow for an easy victory or plausible deniability like many are exercising now, then this situation would not exist. I'm not suggesting you let Bush off the hook, just hold the Senate and House responsible for their own wienie conduct that contributed to the situation. Given the shoddy history of the UN, I absolutely do not trust them to run anything right. Aside from that, there is no way in hell to allow foreign military occupation that I would agree to.

How would you sell that plan to the American Public?


I never said anything about foreign military occupation, just that a foreign power would be able to tell our military to arrest the president, and stand down in offensive activities. Basically I just want someone to be able to arrest and sentence a president for war crimes, not just impeach him. And I want to make sure he can't use the military for leverage in that situation.