Lies about AS... They say we don't engage in creative..

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Agreed.

So I guess we have to suffer because society does not support differences.

This is creativity:

I started reading very early. I read everything I could get my hands on. My imaginative play came from the things I read.

However, if you gave me some wood, I would try and think of something to build with it. I couldn't pretend the wood was something else. I would study the grain and texture...the colour and smell. I would admire it for it's woodness.

I can hear a ream of information and then put two seemingly random bits together to come up with a relation or new combination.

I think that the descriptions are flawed because we are adults, and it's hard to characterize all our differences. The descriptions are often closer to a classic autistic child than an AS adult.

Let's hear it for education.

The problem is that words are misinterpreted by some professionals based on their own preconceptions.

Imagination.......implies that the individual is "imaging" something....the belief about autism is that we are very visual, so it follows logically that we "image" better then we "abstract think".

Creative....just implies that you can "make" something. I think that many of us have a stronge desire to create. The more images I am exposed to the more I can create but if someone is isolated in a nonstimulating environment...they will have fewer images to create from.

Mirror.....This is the kind of "imagination" I see in most children. Many NT children appear to be mirroring human behavior but they also do what I see as more common to AS children...mirroring TV,Movies,cartoons, books, anima more then humans in their daily lives. I did not have any niterest in mirroring "playing house or school"...those were not my interests. However, I did spend a lot of time in the woods, colllecting sticks and rocks and building houses for bugs I collected. I didn't "pretend" those bugs were anything but bugs but I did invission them as having feelings/needs similiar to mine and wanted them to have comfortable beds to sleep in.


I believe many of the character traits of AS are based on LFA "with a twist". Since MANY people with LFA can not communicate complex ideas...the judgements made about them are based on observations of someone who is outside LFA sensory experiences. That individual observes them staring at a fan, running water, spinning objects and "assumes" that they are using these objects as "stimuli" and not in any "creative way". The autistic individual just appears fascinated with the patterns and colors or sounds the objects can produce...they are not given credit for "manipulating" these items in unique ways or seeing them in unique ways. However, some of them, if given artistic tools, CAN create very unique works of arts based on their unique perspective on these items.


If I appeared to adults as being less "creative" based on their limited deffinition of it...ie...I do not lie and could not make up stories as a child, If someone gave me almost anything, I could always take them apart and recombine them to make something "interesting".

Oh dear ....a NT conspiracy ! ! Let's gather and make our new movement called Aspergionizm and make a state called Apergiael and start attacking the surrounding nations.


Another NT vs AS theory crap thread.

I think this is a case of people applying a symptom that is only occasionally present to the entire autistic spectrum, aspies included. It happens all the time and is really just a result of some organizations pushing the "tragic" picture of autism in order to gain funding (they might not be consciously aware of what they are really doing, and they are certainly not aware that what they are doing is harmful).

I can be very creative, one thing I use this for is coming up with life philosophies.

I am, and have been, a mixed bag. When I was very young, I used to line up my toy cars and wouldn't play with them in the conventional sense. I didn't engage in imaginative play with my peers until the age of about 5 or 6. Once I reached that age, however, I did engage in creative and imaginative play with my small number of friends. Sometimes we would pretend we were Romans invading the Celts, other times we would be on our bikes pretending that we were driving cars. I would not have set a world record for creativity, but it was fairly imaginative, as child play goes.

Nowadays, I often write short stories based on people who could be real, but I use my absurdist humour to take things to extremes and put my characters in unusual situations. I don't care much about creating whole new fantasy worlds, but that's mainly because it's been done so many times before.

I think a big problem is that the average person has a distorted notion of what "creativity" is because of the BS notion that creativity is somehow opposed to logic and reason, a notion that stems from 19th Century anti-rationalist Romanticism and late 20th Century New Age anti-rationalism. These anti-rationalists created a non-existent dichotomy between reason and creativity as a way to attack reason, logic, and science. In modern culture "creativity" is associated with the hippie-ish "I'm radical because it makes others think I'm cool" NT clique of so-called "artsy types." These types like to brag about how different and original they are but in actuality they are just another conformist, close-minded clique.

Regardless of whether the OP is creative or not, exceptions do not break the rules (of averages). It is probably a safe bet to say on average, those with AS are not as "creative" in the normal sense of the word as their NT counterparts. Of course, there will be outliers who are, but that does not invalidate the previous assertion. Same applies with empathy.

Because I can analyze what someone says very quickly, I've learned to use what has previously been done to manipulate others.
Anyway, I'm not very creative.