Would you like to have a terminal illness?

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It is immoral to you, it may not be immoral for others. Morality is a relative concept and is not absolute. I assume you are a Christian because Christians in particular have a tendency to assume morality is absolute and therefore their particular morality is always correct.

Morality and legality are two entirely different concepts and only happen to overlap because the people who design laws have a sense of morality and the people who ratify the laws have a sense of morality. Whether laws are moral or not depends on a person's system of morality not on some absolute rules that govern the universe. Morality is not like mathematics or physics. There is no "right" morality.

It is immoral to lie with the intention of deceiving others for one's own gain according to my moral system. Lies are not always morally questionable though. People lie to children all the time for the benefit of the children.

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I would have to say no.

Yes, I am Christian and Christian morality is absolute. Deal with it. If morality is relative, it's self-serving and therefore arbitrary. My belief-system is not something I dreamed up to serve my interests in any given situation.

Lets all study the WHORE.. mmm intersting life NOT

I would like to have a gourmet salad.

You see, the problem with an absolute morality is that it assumes that everything contained in that morality is correct and cannot be improved on and can therefore never get better. If anything in the system (ie The Bible) is contradictory , then the system has shown it is not absolute and not imperfect and can be improved. One of the 10 Commandments is thou shalt not kill. Yet people who claim to be "Christians" kill all the time. A lot of the soldiers in Iraq are Christians and kill for monetary reward and to defend their interests. Are these people Christians or not? If they are then the system, your system, is not absolute and I am correct.

God also orders many people to be killed in the Bible through his prophets like Elijah and yet Moses said Thou Shalt not kill. So either the prophet is wrong, God is, or Moses is? They can't all be right. If its wrong to kill anyone, its always wrong and there are no "special circumstances".

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I LOL at the morality argument coming from Christians. Absolute? My ass. If God can't make up his mind, I'll make my mind up for him, and live myself to my own moral standards.

You'll make up God's mind for Him?

Ridiculous. And blasphemy, too.

But I can't tell you how to live.

*sigh*

I don't understand what your problem is. Everything I said was either factually or logically correct.

A) God says to Moses "Humans should not kill other humans"

B) God says to Elijah "Kill those Caananites who don't believe in me"

A and B are not logically consistent and the moral system is not absolute.

Thus god is a moral relativist. Or Elijah is wrong. Or Moses is wrong and we should kill other people.

So either Elijah was insane or mistaken or Moses was?

A) Moses is right

B) Elijah is right

A and B are not logically consistent and demonstrate different moral systems.

And there is no answer to this. Either the whole Bible is right and everything contained in it is logically consistent with everything else or morality is relative.

corroonb That just goes to show that Im right
Reality is whatever u make of it n for evryone thats true
wether they admitt it or not

I am sorry if anyone if offended by my views or arguments. I know the thread has gone off topic but people making statements like "Morality is absolute" need to be educated. It is a matter of public safety in my opinion.

Why can't morality be like the laws of phsyics, omnipresent and unmovable?

I have never actively sought to "cop out" on life by escape and certainly not death. I believe the original author of this thread was just being honest about what was in their head. I was just doing the same. I think about all sorts of crap that I never do.

Morality is an abstract concept. It has no physical mass, cannot be measured in any way and is not visible to the human eye, therefore a science of morality is fundamentally impossible. You can't have laws of morality that are correct in all circumstances because morals are relative concepts i.e unique to the people who advocate them.

Someone will think killing is wrong, someone else will think killing is right in special circumstances. Both of these are moral concepts and are contradictory, ie, they can't both be right. So with the existence of free will and individual minds, we see that morality is relative and not absolute, ie not correct under any circumstance and for every sentient being. An absolute morality is only possible in a totalitarian state or in a situation where the minds of every sentient being can be controlled. If there is free will, morality cannot be absolute because people will have different opinions of what behaviour is correct.

I would never want to be dying in misery. Likely if I had a terminal illness it would give me good enough reason to kill myself, just so I could end it quickly. Although I often thought about what would happen if I was diagnosed with cancer. Quite honestly I'd rather die than have to go through chemo treatments.

One thing's for sure is I don't want to live a long life. I don't want to start aging and have my body start failing on me.

If I'm going to die I'd rather it be instaneous and without my knowing it. Sometimes I wish something killed me like a car running me over or getting hit by a meteor, or the walls crushed me just so I don't have to deal with the aging process later on.

As The Who say: "hope I die before I get old"

You're right, morality is an invention of man. If a man-made doctrine such as Christianity claims morality to be absolute, FAIAP it is. But even this is a perpesctive. Christians don't necessarily recognize the morality of other cultures, nor do other cultures recognize Christian morality. Some even see it as evil. So yes, of course, there's relavity. But that doesn't invalidate anyone's moralitry per se.