FreedomG wrote:
This machine-like obsessive knowledge of information and the gathering of it is the primary talent of the current Aspie, only the data is restricted to a single subject. There are exceptions with Gates, Einstein, and Jefferson, but they were rare exceptions. There is nothing that convinces me that people with AS are superior for having the ability to simply store information. They cannot use that information to develop new facts and values or invent. The only people who have done this are few and far between. The rest of you have no relevant talents. Obsessively gathering and storing information is not practical and therefore, Aspies are in no way superior to NTs. Rather they are at the same level as NTs in that regard.
So people who have information can do nothing with it, and are equal to people who do not have information?
As for these "facts" most have, or will be, proven wrong.
Our method is not preparing for some trivia game, it is learning how we learn, by learning.
All information is not equal, what everyone knows is constantly disproved, it is a process we call Science.
In over 200 years, over 7,000,000 Patents have been issued, proof of new knowledge.
2,000,000 have been in the last decade. It shows an evolution of thought.
Almost all are based on, the past got it wrong. While their facts were disproved, few read and learned about it, and applied the new version of knowledge, the ability to learn, the system of Science, and found a new answer.
Without the preperation of learning the facts, to the degree where conflicts become apparent, having an active learning process, being a lifetime learner, willing to give up old knowledge for new, a framework, Science, it would not be possible to Patent more than one quarter of all new ideas in a decade.
I have studied Inventors, I write books about it. They are one in 5,000 to 10,000, make Aspies seem common. They do have the same traits. They become obsessive about a subject, a narrow field or two, learn everything, live it, and continue until they understand, and can restate what is really going on.
It is not creative, something from nothing, it is the same parts, seen in a clearer relationship. All Patents start with Prior Art, the known. They are all fact based, and none stand alone. As MysteryFan3 mentions, it is in taking the next step from the base of the known. He may not be the first to do so, but the process is the same, he is an Inventor, just not first to file.
We do two things AI never will, we can unlearn, discover what is wrong, discard it, and we can make the next logical step.
Invention has been taught to the most gifted students in the best Universities, the results were zero.
They were educated, but not to the extent that they could see they had bought false knowledge, and paid for an MIT Degree. They had nothing to judge their education against. Having not taken the first step, doing things wrong for a while, they did not have a base of working knowledge from which to see the next step.
Most Inventors are serial inventors. It is not the field, but the way they think. They do have exact and detailed knowledge in one or more fields, they have learned how they learn, they let their eyes and mind teach them. Most are self educated.
Once they start, they do not stay in one field, as the formal education system dictates, but can apply their base of facts, processes, and knowing how they learn, to other fields with equal results.
Patents started about 700 years ago, Science 150. It is an offshoot of invention, discovery, codifying what inventors have learned through observation and thought. Trial and error will get nowhere, and cost a lot, such as Government Science.
All advance has been from people who learn facts till they can see that not all of them could be true.
As LabPet mentions when we put things back together, they work, and there are parts left over. Invention is doing the same thing with less parts. Science is defining the parts that it will not work without.
Aspies are Proto Inventors, many of the same traits, but one visits pill pushers and listens to psychobabble, the other files at the Patent Office. All of the inventors I have met are Autistic. None of them are social, only when speaking of their work, and they do not read their mail or return phone calls.
They are in no way equal to NT's, they have a knowledge and method that has gotten All the Patents, something that can be measured. They live full time in their world. Lab Researchers also fit the profile. They do not just have a job so they can go to football games on the weekend. They live in their research, and only relate to things that connect somehow. They discover All the Science.
Invention, Science, Libraries, Universities, are just offshoots of prior Autistic thought patterns.
I see inventors as a sub set of Autism, and Lab Researchers, IT, Programmers, Musicians, Artists, Writers, it seems there are a lot on this site. It is one in a thousand people who do most of the good stuff.
99.9% of people are just taking up space, breathing my air, and littering!
This includes 90+% of Aspies, who have been listening to psychobabble. I would prefer the company of a dog, they do not go in for self hating. Dogs love being dogs, and are happy, so what is wrong with aspies?
Most people are just a drain and burden on the planet, and most people are NT.
Be yourself, it is the least complicated way.
I am the best me out of six billion bad copies.
30 Jul 2008, 11:12 pm
