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11 Aug 2008, 11:09 pm

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Isn't bullshitting the same as lying?


I mean more of the "embellishment" side. To me, there's straight up lying, something completely false, and then the truth sprinkled with some fabrication here and there, which I would consider bullshitting...

It's all deciet, just different degrees.


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11 Aug 2008, 11:09 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Isn't bullshitting the same as lying?


Not necessarily. Lying is the done with the intention to deceive. Bullshitting may just be to amuse.



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11 Aug 2008, 11:23 pm

if i had better cognative functioning, (i have a cognative disorder nos) i imagine i could be an exellent liar. on top of it i never understood why someone would lie, but the internet provides an exellent place for anyone to lie. i try to give my readers the prof of anything i say that has happend to me, and i expect the same from everyone else



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11 Aug 2008, 11:24 pm

-JR wrote:
How about bullshtting? I've found this EXTREMELY difficult. When friends and myself experience the same thing, I've got the "boring" version, whilst everyone else adds the little "flair"... I've tried that, didn't work. Felt fake anyway, didn't like that one bit. But it's one of the things that's pissed me off a bit, is that everyone kind of knows everyone else BSes, but noone cares....

claire333-just saw your post-EXACTLY! :x


Yeah, THIS I am not good at. Ironically, I am better at out-and-out lying than I am at "embellishing". I can tell my boss I'm almost done with something that I haven't even started and be convincing. I can't for the life of me "spice up" a story by adding a little flash and sizzle.



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11 Aug 2008, 11:27 pm

No way I can speak for any others, but I am honest to a fault. Just doesn't occur to me to lie. The down-side: I have no concept of deceipt so I cannot tell if another is lying to me, unless their story just defies logic and makes no sense. Otherwise, I can be really naive.

Oh, I definitely can do kidding - same with other Auties/Aspies! But this is isn't lying and certainly is never meant as deceit or hurtful. I've said, for instance: I know you lost your keys (true statement), they're in the Bermuda Triangle! hah hah. Yes, that's kidding. But obvious kidding so not lying. The one I said this too fully knew I truly didn't mean his keys were in the Bermuda Triangle, of course!


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11 Aug 2008, 11:28 pm

I'm the same as LabPet.



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11 Aug 2008, 11:34 pm

Yeah that's about my level too. I'm ret*d about deceit. I think it's that Theory of Mind thing, I can't estimate what other people may or may not know. Everyone is the same to me in a way.



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11 Aug 2008, 11:48 pm

I lie all the time lol



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11 Aug 2008, 11:53 pm

Aspies can lie, where the heck are you people?
You can't trust everything you read in a book.
The severely MR can lie about things that they hold passionately,
why couldn't the AS?



11 Aug 2008, 11:59 pm

I had a friend who had Down syndrome and she lied all the time but it was unintentional. She copied what other people said. Like she said in sixth grade her father died in a car wreck but her mother said that so she was basically repeating. Her grandfather died. The car wreck she was talking about, they got rare ended by a guy.

Anything she told me, I had to go to her mother and ask her about it to confirm if it was true or not.



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12 Aug 2008, 12:40 am

How about if we breakdown the action of lying into two parts: it's emotional intent and logical intent? Could one hypothesize that most of us see no emotional justification for lying, but that some of us learn the logical justification for it in order to socially survive?

Myself, I sometimes surprise myself with the ease with which I can lie. But most of the time, I really suck at lying. So much so, that sometimes I get paranoid about situations where I might see myself having to lie and try to avoid those situations. It makes for a cramped lifestyle :?



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12 Aug 2008, 12:42 am

I'm pretty good at BSing. But I've never lied to hurt anyone.


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12 Aug 2008, 12:42 am

Triangular_Trees wrote:
I started lying as a child because I got fed up with getting in trouble for lying every time I told the truth


Ha ha this is classic.
This is also how I learned to lie. The problem is learning how to stop, now that I've left the house.



12 Aug 2008, 12:50 am

I am not sure if I am good with lying. I am certinally am not going to start just to see if I am good at it or not.

I might be bad at lying because my mother always knew I was lying. But sometimes she bought my lies so maybe I was good at it sometimes.



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12 Aug 2008, 1:02 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
As far as relationships go, the whole reason I limit myself to other Aspies is because I am convinced that we don't lie or cheat.


Well speaking from experience you are wrong about the lying thing although I can't say you are wrong about the cheating one.



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12 Aug 2008, 1:02 am

Lets see....

I have been accused of lying because I don't make eye contact...because some people think that if a person does not make eye contact, that means they are lying.

I am very sensitive about lying. I do not like to lie and I don't like being lied to.....BUT

when I was younger, I was a compulsive storyteller...it was horrible. It was my way of attempting to socially interract. Crazy fantastical ideas would pop into my head, and I did not knwo what to do with them other tham tell them as if they were truths...but of course nobody believed me...and i just made a big fool of myself....I was trying in part to compensate for my lack of social understanding...and experience....(yeah..i guess me trying to rationalize...)
I have heard in different parts of the forum...likesay parent's discussion and whatnot...of parents talking about their AS kids lying in a similar manner and them finding it confusing because there is the stereotype that aspies don't lie. I have a younger cousin who is no longer with us who might very possibly have been an aspie...and i recall him lying in a similar way to the sort of lying I did..it was odd recognizing this habit in another member of the family who i did not have regualar contact with....For me it was so habitual and compulsive...I really had to take drastic measures to control it as I got older...and I am really glad I got over it, because I detest people who lie all the time...and I detested that part of myself.