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24 Sep 2008, 8:05 am

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I think most girls with AS were sort of tomboyish as children....actually, I still cant relate to being a woman. Im sort of this strange genderless creature. I was telling my husband the other night that I cant relate to being a woman and I also dont relate to being a man. I think I have this image of me as a little tomboy girl and it kind of freaks me out when I look in the mirror and see this aging person.
I think that when you are a girl more pressure is put on you to be "nice" and care for others. You learn that you need to "check" on the people in your life when they are sick....ask how they are feeling and bla bla. Its not natural for me to inquire "how are you?" but its something that Ive learned I am supposed to do so I do it.
I know when I was a child I learned to play all of the games with the other kids but it wasnt fun to play with them....it was an act that I needed to pull off in order to be accpted. I really wanted other kids to like me....although I wasnt always too successful at it. It was easy to have fun and enjoy myself when I was alone playing with other kids was most times a chore. Also when I was younger boys were much easier to make friends with as we shared the same types of interests, like observing bugs and such. When I was older I had a couple of guy friends only to be upset when I found out that they wanted more than friendship. I think I can relate to the way guys think and view the world more than I can with other women.....unless they are also Autistic :) .


Wow! Everything you have said here is EXACTLY what it is like for me too! :D



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24 Sep 2008, 8:36 am

Tony Atwood claims that girls with AS tend to not have as eccentric of "special interests." The topic is "normal," but the intensity and focus clearly are not. But he says that the normal topic may be why girls' "special interests" aren't targeted as being "odd" as often. I don't think this is true for all girls, though. Some of my "special interests," especially those during my very early childhood, clearly are/were eccentric.
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24 Sep 2008, 10:25 am

I'm too lazy to respond to specific points at the moment, but I think a lot of the stuff said about women vs. men and AS is misleading and/or totally false. For one thing, it depends on how we frame the question... are we talking about how AS affects women, or are we talking about how women with AS behave, because these are two different questions. Despite what many people on here probably believe, aspies are not by any means immune from social pressures. It's not that AS makes women interested in literature, it's that women in general are pushed by society (and perhaps by genetics) into fields such as literature and psychology. But guess what - there are tons of AS men who are passionate about literature and psychology. I saw someone say that most of the famous people on the spectrum, especially the writers, are female... and to that I have to respond uh... what? That reminds me of when someone told me that women are much better artists than men... I feel like in the latter example, Michelangelo, Leonardo, Rembrandt, Van Gogh, etc. would take great offense.


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24 Sep 2008, 11:00 am

Neat topic. As a little girl I loved action figures even into my teens LOL! (I hated girly stuff Teen Magazine,Make up fashions etc.) I also would obsess over a movie and watch it over and over and over (of course I think that's normal right?) :-) It's funny into my teens I constantly heard "throw them away etc." I then got more interested in my videogames (now I hear get into something else LOL!) :-) I also tend to make better friends with guys. :-)



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24 Sep 2008, 11:08 am

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The way I've heard it explained is that girls are often "little philosophers" while boys are "little professors", but I don't know if I agree with that.

Anyway, apparently, there is not much (if any?) research on the subject.


Wow, if this is true then I'm right in the mold. I've always been like that. My majors in college are English Writing and Psychology, with a minor in Women's Studies. I have always thought about stuff like philosophy and things.


These are also my interests. Though the Dr. that assessed me initially felt that because I chose to take "social work" studies, that there was no way I could possibly have AS :roll:

Clearly he needed more females in his practice.

I chose social work studies because they were a "cheaper" alternative to University Psychology and I LOVED learning all about it.

I am a bloody sponge, feed me with information and please, let it be about how the human mind operates...it is how I survive :wink:


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24 Sep 2008, 12:25 pm

For years they were asking the wrong questions and making the wrong assumptions about females on the autistic spectrum. They were looking for tomboys who liked trains and cars, and missed the fact that we tend to be obsessional about totally different things. We tend not to react with violence as much as the boys, to be quieter than the boys, to be more keen to try to make friends than the boys. (Those things do not apply to every woman with an ASD). So, to be diagnosed, a female had to be 'superbad', which meant that all the data for us was wrong as they were missing out the majority of us and thinking that we were really extreme. We weren't. They were just only looking at the really extreme ones.

So now they're trying to re-do the questions and the interview techniques.

Me? Utterly obsessed with horses as a child. And I mean utterly. I could concentrate on it for 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, making tables, data, plans, observations. This is Not Normal, but as it's girls and ponies, everyone just thought "aahh, how cute". :roll: I also sat in the garden and lined up grass stalks for days at a time,but they thought I was just being nice and peaceful playing by myself in a girly way. No-one realised. Then there were the friendship issues, the rigid routines, the shock if something changed, etc etc. I was told I had an OCD, because they had no clue what they were actually looking at until I got a proper diagnosis as an adult.

They're still missing out on diagnosing most of the females with an ASD now, but at least they're recognising the problems.



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24 Sep 2008, 1:49 pm

It seems like female aspies don't struggle with empathy as much, however I do somewhat.



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24 Sep 2008, 2:22 pm

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I'm too lazy to respond to specific points at the moment, but I think a lot of the stuff said about women vs. men and AS is misleading and/or totally false.


I don't think anyone on here is attempting to describe ( and btw the question was, "characteristics of"- which is fairly broad ) every AS woman out there to perfection, or to imply that everyone is the same, everyone no matter who they are, or what their diagnosis is, or is not, is different.
There will be some commonalities, which is what the original poster was looking to hear opinions on. If there were no commonalities at all, then the diagnosis would not exist. Obviously what ever environment the person grows up in is going to influence the individual. If you are living in a shanti town in Kenya, then you are not going to have an interest in literature, because you may never have been exposed to it. The OP is seeking trends, from my understanding.



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30 Sep 2008, 7:32 pm

To be fair I am not always shy and retiring, I was actually quite a bossy child, I liked to organise the other children and make by brother repeat renditions of the wizard of oz amoung other plays :) I was incredibly shy at secondary school until I found the other girls, one with Dyslexia ec and then I was extremely talkative. How I have got thus far without a diagnosis is camoflauge on my part and very itnentional. I am perhaps more angry at human beings in general, their fear of the unkown preventing me from seeking some sort of assistance, laughing at my ticks and telling me to stop being so clumsy, naive, blunt, to stop taking things literally, as though that would see to it! I used to be fairly head strong, just thought i'd mention that as I am getting the girly, high-pitched tippy toe Aspie with her barbie and horses image and I am more the boystrous streaming through puddles, holes in her clothes, bruises all over her knees, long wavy hair and quite unapproachable when frowning apparently :? kind of an Aspie. Moving on...



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30 Sep 2008, 7:38 pm

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Tony Atwood claims that girls with AS tend to not have as eccentric of "special interests." The topic is "normal," but the intensity and focus clearly are not. But he says that the normal topic may be why girls' "special interests" aren't targeted as being "odd" as often. I don't think this is true for all girls, though. Some of my "special interests," especially those during my very early childhood, clearly are/were eccentric.


My interests were eccentric, but not "deep fat fryer" eccentric. Flying unicorns, hidden treasure, ESP, Dr. Who, fantasy stuff. Intensity and focus is right. Friends had to be actively involved in my fantasy life to be around me. And yet, no one noticed.



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30 Sep 2008, 8:34 pm

My special interests are typical female interests: English, languages, literature, geography and cats.



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30 Sep 2008, 8:35 pm

What I find odd about empathy is that I have always been required to understand another's feelings. However, that was very one-sided, as no one bothered to understand mine. It is much the same now as it was when I was a child. Someone else's emotional needs always were more important that mine.

I do often understand what someone is going through emotionallhy...I can be compassionate, but it's not always the case. For instance an evil person in my life suffered illness & I wasn't bothered by it in the least. In fact, I was very happy to hear he had a serious medical issue. But unless someone did something deliberately cruel & hurtful to me, I usually am very compassionate towards others. I just wish it were reciprocated more often.


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30 Sep 2008, 8:50 pm

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I'm not mysogynistic or anything, but I do find that ladypeople can be VERY status-conscious (as in the social hierarchical sense) and sometimes, extremely mean.


not me. I'm status-oblivious. :-)



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01 Oct 2008, 6:41 am

I dont know about in general but I was a bit like a boy in most ways! I hated pink princessy things and broke the legs off my Sindy doll!


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18 Jul 2009, 4:34 pm

Oh, I was a very feminine little girl. I only put on a tomboy act for my brothers and for my late mother, the latter who despised her own gender. I'm still very feminine.



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18 Jul 2009, 6:18 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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One article I have come across indicates girls are more likely to engage in apparently imaginative play (for instance incorporating themes like princesses, unicorns) according to the anecdotal experience of the author.


WOW I cannot believe that. When I was little I was completely obsessed with princesses, horses, unicorns, Pegasus. Never knew why exactly.


I was majorly obsessed with Greek gods and goddesses at one point. I made up my own stories involving them.

My other special interest that I developed later was the Felidae...I won't say cats, because it was other cat like animals too. I literally refused to discuss anything else. I drove away most friends with that tendency. Other kids got bored with hearing how long Smilodon's canine teeth were or exactly how a cat's brain wiring meant it could flip over in the air and land on its feet after falling.


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