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Danielismyname
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22 Dec 2008, 6:46 am

Above-average. It's about 60/70 points higher than my verbal IQ, which thinking about it, probably makes me a savant in the strict definition of the term (I have no special skills though).



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22 Dec 2008, 1:57 pm

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I've always thought I had really bad visual spatial skills because I have a very bad sense of direction and am lousy at geometry. Jigsaw puzzles I love, but I don't know why because it's mostly really just trial and error for me. Aside from that, how does one know if one has good or bad visual spatial skills? Can someone give me some examples?

If those are examples of VSS I must not be impaired. Geometry was easiest for me and my sense of direction is above average. I love jigsaw puzzles.
I might have been tested on VSS as a child but I don't really remember. The only thing I remember is sequencing. I can remember a woman wanting me to put a series of illustrated cards in the correct order.
One thing I remember really well are the standardized achievement tests in school. Ironically, they really did cause me a lot of problems and it was because I did so well on them, lol.
I don't know if this same circumstance has happened to any other WPers. My Standardized Achievement Test scores were consistently high and this disqualified me for many services and people thought I was more abled than I actually was, I think.
I made ridiculously high scores on each parts of the test on a consistent basis and yet was making Ds and Fs in my classes. This caused an inconsistency that perplexed those who knew about it.
I was failing Biology, mostly because I couldn't see the chalk board (the teacher put every single note we were to copy on the board and used a lousy overhead projector that made everything fuzzy), also because the smell of the dead frogs we were to dissect was so toxic to me it gave me migraines.
The teacher wanted me out of the class, especially after my defender, the class clown, a "hood" the teacher despised, distracted him and tried to defend me whenever he targeted me with insults. I know it sounds incredible, but I was often targeted by teachers who would insult me in front of the entire class. It seems like teachers wouldn't stoop to such levels considering they are there to improve the lives of students, not make them worse.
Once this student distracted the teacher and it pissed the teacher off so badly he got rid of him by having him moved to a different class. At the time, I didn't know it, but he was working on getting rid of me as well.
I was so depressed in that biology class, the teacher wanted to get rid of me and he did by placing me in a remedial science class with no earth worm or frog dissections.
On top of all that, to make matters even worse, my mom taught in the same school district and this same biology teacher had a beef with her because she filed a grievance against him and got him transferred to a school that wasn't as prestigious as the one he taught at previously.
So, in turn, he transferred me to an icky remedial class just like he had been transferred because of my mother. What a friggin mess it was. Now you know why I begged every day to be transferred out of that school district to escape that huge mess!! ! I did not want to go to school in the same district my nutty mom taught in, I thought it was a conflict of interest and it was creating a hostile environment for me because of her nuttiness. I didn't deserve to be put in the middle, IMO.
He also thought I needed to see a guidance counselor. The counselor chewed me out because I scored so high on the achievement tests and was failing horribly in most of my classes. She couldn't figure out why which is an indication the system wasn't adequate in my case.
She blamed it on me missing school and started nagging me about that. She didn't seem to care about the reason why I was missing school. It was like she was skimming over my life and barely grasping it.
The teachers would tell my mom in conferences, "She doesn't apply herself." and "She is more immature than the other students.". They blamed the inconsistencies on me and said it was because I wasn't applying myself and working hard enough. What a confidence booster that was!



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22 Dec 2008, 2:38 pm

I have been and always will be a visual-spatial learner. My skills with such are great. Whenever I read a book that I like - whether it be history-related, mythological, or fictional novel, I can always produce a movie-like projection in my mind. Whenever I say random things sometimes, and an idea pops up for a short story or drawing, I produce images in my mind. However, after thinking of these things, I then try to break it down into steps or so; like the story idea - I always think of an ending first, then a beginning, then figure out how I'm going to sequence all the events which transpire in between (I guess that's the aspie trait kicking in, lol). In terms of directions - I do better at finding my way around places by location/landmarks, not the road signs. I love doing mazes and other things involving shapes, colors, etc. Hell I still love Legos (thinking of ordering a set online, otherwise it'll look creepy for a 22 yr-old to walk into Toys-R-Us). The only math class I ever did good in was geometry, back in high-school.

Now, with the whole sequencing thing with ideas, I know I have the capability to a certain degree - especially since when I listen to music I try to break all the sounds up. I am doing exercises right now to learn more about sound discrimination, and also when needing to remember a word or so, to get a visual image of the word or lecture (to match with the sound). I am also attempting to learn the piano/keyboard; will hope to get to the point of "by-ear", so I will then be able to think of the note of how it's written on sheet music as well as the sound it produces. I believe this will help a bit with rote learning to a certain degree... by exercising the left brain more.



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22 Dec 2008, 4:30 pm

Mine are very poor. I have "lazy eye" and as a result, have problems seeing 3 dimensions, have a poor concept of my body in relation to the objects around it (could never do cartwheels because I can't see or even visualize my body as I try to do them). I get lost easily. I have no concept of distance. Fifty feet and fifty yards are all the same to me. My eyes (brain, really) play tricks on me all the time: something that is really flat might look three dimensional to me, and then again, something that is 3 dimensional might look flat.

I did find out that it is common for people with "lazy eye" to be on the spectrum because it really is a brain problem, not an eye problem. That is, a pretty good percentage of people with lazy eye are on the spectrum.


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22 Dec 2008, 10:38 pm

Horrible. I have difficulty parrallel parking.



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23 Dec 2008, 8:38 am

My visual spatial skills as IQ tested by a psychologist are superior.



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23 Dec 2008, 2:34 pm

I've always tested at the top end for visual/spatial. Spatial-thinking is my primary mode of thinking, and for me is very distinct from visual. I can translate between the two, but most of the time I don't bother adding "visuals" to my spatial models. Translating into language is harder, but usually possible (very frustrating when I can't -- frequently when I'm tired or overloaded). You can kind of think of it as a blueprint style or wireframe CAD 3D representation, although that's not entirely accurate. One advantage of decoupling the visuals is that higher dimensions are relatively easy to "visualize" (spatialize?), which I discovered in numerical analysis and AI. I write software for a living, and over the years it has become clear to me that I use the same spatial intelligence when working in code, which is very different from most others in the field think about it. For me debugging is basically just walking through the model. I can't provide visual translation of code, but I can "feel" the same parts of my brain being used.


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23 Dec 2008, 5:37 pm

There is verbal IQ and non verbal IQ. Visual spatial is apart of non verbal IQ.



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23 Dec 2008, 5:52 pm

Moderate to awful. I usually have a small collection of bruises from running into tables or chairs or walls.



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24 Dec 2008, 10:40 am

From Diane F. Halpern, 2000. Sex Differences in Cognition. Third Edition, p. 130:

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There are at least five types of visual-spatial ability that have been identified: visual perception, mental rotation, spatial visualization, spatiotemporal ability, and generation and maintenance of visual images. Sex differences favoring males are found on all of them except spatial visualization, which does not show sex differences. The effect size for mental rotation is among the largest found in the literature and can be found developmentally by the early elementary school years.


I tend to test very high in mental rotation. I assume I'm pretty high in the others, but don't know if I've ever been tested on them or not. I'm usually pretty good at navigating on foot, too. Cars are hard, though, because everything goes too fast.

Mental rotation is rotating an object in your mind. I think spatiotemporal ability refers to tasks that involve moving objects. The Piaget water level test (draw the water level at the right angle on a drawing of a tilted glass or bottle) is a spatial task. Apparently plenty of university students don't get that one. 8O I find it pretty obvious.



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24 Dec 2008, 3:30 pm

I score in the top 1% for visual/spatial skills, although I nevertheless have problems with directions and getting around places.



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25 Dec 2008, 7:05 am

I'd love To say really good. I can spot a pin in a haystack... however I can't spot the milk in the fridge when it is directly in front of me... god i wish i was joking :(



25 Dec 2008, 2:51 pm

Mine are pretty good. I have a good sense of direction and can find my way around and I can read maps very well. I can also retrace my steps.



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25 Dec 2008, 6:33 pm

I have very good visual/spatial i think.
- Never taken a test, but i can visaluse just about anything, great photographic memory, 3d awareness, etc. Good ballence too. (and the motion sickness to go with)



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26 Dec 2008, 3:34 pm

I have photographic memory to a certain degree. It may not shine much seeing as I cant explain in words what I can remember.. I want to get my skills/talents in drawing up more so I can learn to put those into art. Heck, seeing as the only mathematics I loved was Geometry (passed with a "B" - even though we had no books to take home), I can see how that can be applied to sculpting, which is why I would LOVE to take up sculpting (some geometry i can use seeing as college doesn't have a "College Geometry" as a type of subject to take.).



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25 Oct 2009, 1:06 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
Visual...good...I think...I mean my creative functioning operates on visualisation..one of my aspie "super-powers" is that someone can ask me to find something and I will get a visual flash of where that object is if I have happened to have seen it in the last several months or so...and I can go locate it...usually...unless it has been moved...my memory is very visual-oriented...but only sometimes...I can't remember faces very well unless I know the people very well..I will "see" where a building is located in my mind..but I cannot tell you the cross streets...
And then when making sock creatures, I see a pair of socks and visualise what it is going to be...or some such...and know just where some random scrap I need is located within the huge pile of stuff..etc...

Spatial very bad...I dropped out of an art class because the first assignment was to design my "dream home" I just couldn't get it to come together...All of my non-sock-related artwork completely lacks depth perception....i am very good at portraits...not good at landscapes...or good at drawing objects...not good at placing them within a context....

not good at turning objects around in my mind...I know this because I practice...and I am bad at it.


I think you have just helped me see the difference between spatial thinking, visual thinking and visual memory: I think and remember in pictures, and I can actually make just about anything I can see in my mind. However, I can only draw in 3-D the very simplest of objects.

And now on to why I am looking at this stuff:

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[I] must have a visual representation in my mind when trying to understand concepts. This can create a processing delay or odd prob-solving methods mistaken for lack of intelligence.


Beginning not long after I got my first pair of glasses at age nine, I have always been aware of my "clarity of mind" being directly proportional to the clarity of my actual vision. Today I work as a fabricator of equipment and forms used for casting concrete products, and I am now finding my executive dysfunction growing worse … and I believe that is because of my failing eyesight (caused by epiretinal membranes) ... and I might not have all the terms sorted correctly here. But in any case ...

Has anyone here ever heard of any connection between clarity of vision and mental dysfunction?


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