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28 Jan 2009, 12:50 am

BellaDonna wrote:

Borderline Personality means being borderline between neurotic and insane.

This is what I always thought.
But here is a quote from the NIMH website which supports what I was saying above.

"Originally thought to be at the "borderline" of psychosis, people with BPD suffer from a disorder of emotion regulation."

So now it seems more to me like they are on the "borderline" of having a true and stable personality.

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28 Jan 2009, 12:55 am

BellaDonna wrote:

Borderline Personality means being borderline between neurotic and insane.

In first literature or research psychiatirists state of these patients being that. ^

Now some want it called emotional dysregulation disorder instead.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:22 am

I was diagnosed with it when I was 19.

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28 Jan 2009, 3:56 am

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There are most likely autistic people who have a borderline personality disorder at the same time. I mean, you can get... I would have said you can get fleas and lice at the same time, but this comparison sounds somewhat negative.

However, I made the experience that characteristics of BPD and ASD are similar on the surface. A friend of mine has a borderline personality and our actions, likes and dislikes and even some symptoms are similar! The things is, behind the obvious statements there are very opposite reasons for the behaviour and the thoughts of a person. Like day and night or fire and water... you get the picture.

So, yeah, if a psychologist/psychiatrist doesn't know autistic and doesn't get into detail and discusses the reasons behind the behaviour, someone with Asperger's can end up as being labeled not with autism, but with a borderline personalty disorder. Happened to me almost. But seeing as I know my friend, I also realise that's one of the worst mistakes that can happened in misdiagnosing.

sora has pretty well articulated it perfectly.
the number of older AS women who have previously been labelled with BPD is fairly high from what i can gather. i was previously dx'ed wtieh both MPD and BPD in the days before they even knew that AS could occur in women.
a good AS specialist will ask about previous dx'es and then work through these to find out what is behind the presentations in an individual.

i do actually know some BPD people in 12 step programs. it is not a nice way to have to be and compassion rather than judgment is prpbably a far more considered approach to these people.

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28 Jan 2009, 10:08 am

Well I wasn't at all suggesting that one shouldn't show compassion to persons with BPD. It's just that this "emotional addiction" idea was an interesting revelation to me, and it made me examine my own emotional regulation more closely.

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28 Jan 2009, 10:14 am

People should show compassion to people suffering mental illness. They do with people suffering from a physical illness.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:42 pm

EvilKimEvil wrote:

1) Constantly craving attention in any form
2) Expressing emotions in order to get attention

These two are actually more diagnostic of histrionic personality disorder, but people with borderline personality disorder do typically have affective dysregulation (high negative affect and difficulty controlling their emotions).

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3) Impulsivity
4) Intense fear of abandonment
5) Fear of being alone, need for constant companionship
6) Self-harm, often with the goal of getting attention

These three are quite diagnostic of BPD, but you're forgetting the identity instability criterion.

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7) Addiction or substance abuse

This applies to the Cluster B personality disorders in general.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:46 pm

They also can get delusions.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:48 pm

See this thread: Asperger Syndrome vs. Borderline Personality Disorder which started on October 4, 2008 and ended on December 4, 2008: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt78949.html .

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28 Jan 2009, 1:51 pm

In a DSM Doctor book BPD is not related to AS. Only states schizotypical or schizoids personalitys to be.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:53 pm

BellaDonna wrote:

Borderline Personality means being borderline between neurotic and insane. Why many of them get sent to prison and hospitalised is because they can have delusions,along with self harming behaviours and being aggressive towards others.

No, it doesn't. Actually, the term "Borderline" doesn't mean anything at all. It's a historical artifact. It originally meant on the border between neurotic and psychotic. But it is not thought of that way anymore. The term Borderline no more describes the order than the term "Asperger's". It's a happenstance label the relates to the history of the understanding of the disorder, not the the traits of the disorder.

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28 Jan 2009, 1:56 pm

BellaDonna wrote:

Borderline Personality means being borderline between neurotic and insane.

In first literature or research psychiatirists state of these patients being that. ^

& I also put. Thankyou.

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29 Jan 2009, 8:39 am

BellaDonna wrote:

People should show compassion to people suffering mental illness. They do with people suffering from a physical illness.

Agree.

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29 Jan 2009, 12:51 pm

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How could a person on the AS Spectrum feel abandoned? I have never had that feeling, and because I have a hard time understanding other humans, I find this puzzling.

I am Dx only with Asperger's, and I find it difficult to understand still why people have issues with a person who only wants to live and let live.

I prefer being alone. Less problems. If I need anything, I will let someone know, and so things get done.

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29 Jan 2009, 3:44 pm

I know I have BPD, my psyche refused to diagnose it, saying I had too much greif to be sure, but I know I do.

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29 Jan 2009, 5:27 pm

sartresue wrote:

I prefer being alone. Less problems. If I need anything, I will let someone know, and so things get done.

Same way as someone not on the spectrum. Seems to me the spectrum's varied enough that one can have the ability to feel abandoned and still be on the spectrum.

But, anyway, I don't think feeling abandoned is required for BPD (and it's not required for the diagnostic criteria -- no single trait is). I think what's more central is feeling invalidated. Something people with AS are much more likely to feel, I would think, than abandoned. And feel here is not so much an emotion (though it can have that) as having the subjective impression of being invalidated.

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