What is on the other end of the Spectrum?

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10 Feb 2009, 4:36 am

If you were to assume that EVERYONE is somewhere on the spectrum, what is at the opposite end? Extreme Autism is at one end. Aspies are a bit further toward the middle. How would you describe the other end?

For example, the stereotypical career for an Aspie is "Computer Programmer." What would be a stereotypical career for the other end?


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10 Feb 2009, 4:41 am

An NT drone in an office suit!


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10 Feb 2009, 5:07 am

I think it would be a politician. One with Machiavellian motivations.


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10 Feb 2009, 5:54 am

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10 Feb 2009, 6:41 am

I don't think there's one besides normality. That there's another end to the spectrum would mean that a disorder existed in which every single symptoms of autism would be turned around. But the autistic spectrum does not have a single cause or a single presentation which could correspond to 1 such opposite.


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10 Feb 2009, 9:15 am

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10 Feb 2009, 9:18 am

NT.



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10 Feb 2009, 9:27 am

Paris Hilton isn't far off :lol:

Autism has been described as "extreme male behavior", so yeah "extreme female behavior" sounds about right 8)



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10 Feb 2009, 10:06 am

Alpha males are at the other end. I have mathematical reasons to believe it :wink:

stereotypical career? hmmm... military, police maybe.


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10 Feb 2009, 10:07 am

Normal, well developed people!! !!



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10 Feb 2009, 11:30 am

My brother is at the other end. He is so perfectly normal. He is a doctor with a beautiful wife and three boys. They go skiing in Aspen when you're supposed to, he has ATV's with a trailer to go riding on trails when the weather is nice. Me on the other hand, I never leave the house except to go to the grocery store or walk my Dad's dog. So ther you have it.



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10 Feb 2009, 11:38 am

The extreme opposite of autism is the neurotypical base as defined by society and some autistic views on the differences.


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10 Feb 2009, 1:06 pm

One theory says that autistics are at one extreme and schizophrenics are at the other.


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10 Feb 2009, 5:16 pm

Flismflop wrote:
One theory says that autistics are at one extreme and schizophrenics are at the other.


Really?
That's interesting!

I'd think on the other end there are these extremely empathic, caretaker types, nurses and nannies. The Deanna Troys.
I wouldn't call this "female" behaviour though. Our society just expects women to be like that.
There are also guys who are good empathizers and women, who are scientists, or architects, so the differences between the genders are more likely from socialization. (hello there's pink Lego!)



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10 Feb 2009, 6:57 pm

Here you go, SuperKara. I dug up the NY Times article that mentions it. The link for the WP thread discussing the article is at the bottom.

November 11, 2008

In a Novel Theory of Mental Disorders, Parents’ Genes Are in Competition

By BENEDICT CAREY

Two scientists, drawing on their own powers of observation and a creative reading of recent genetic findings, have published a sweeping theory of brain development that would change the way mental disorders like autism and schizophrenia are understood.

The theory emerged in part from thinking about events other than mutations that can change gene behavior. And it suggests entirely new avenues of research, which, even if they prove the theory to be flawed, are likely to provide new insights into the biology of mental disease.

At a time when the search for the genetic glitches behind brain disorders has become mired in uncertain and complex findings, the new idea provides psychiatry with perhaps its grandest working theory since Freud, and one that is grounded in work at the forefront of science. The two researchers — Bernard Crespi, a biologist at Simon Fraser University in Canada, and Christopher Badcock, a sociologist at the London School of Economics, who are both outsiders to the field of behavior genetics — have spelled out their theory in a series of recent journal articles.

“The reality, and I think both of the authors would agree, is that many of the details of their theory are going to be wrong; and it is, at this point, just a theory,” said Dr. Matthew Belmonte, a neuroscientist at Cornell University. “But the idea is plausible. And it gives researchers a great opportunity for hypothesis generation, which I think can shake up the field in good ways.”

Their idea is, in broad outline, straightforward. Dr. Crespi and Dr. Badcock propose that an evolutionary tug of war between genes from the father’s sperm and the mother’s egg can, in effect, tip brain development in one of two ways. A strong bias toward the father pushes a developing brain along the autistic spectrum, toward a fascination with objects, patterns, mechanical systems, at the expense of social development. A bias toward the mother moves the growing brain along what the researchers call the psychotic spectrum, toward hypersensitivity to mood, their own and others’. This, according to the theory, increases a child’s risk of developing schizophrenia later on, as well as mood problems like bipolar disorder and depression.

In short: autism and schizophrenia represent opposite ends of a spectrum that includes most, if not all, psychiatric and developmental brain disorders. The theory has no use for psychiatry’s many separate categories for disorders, and it would give genetic findings an entirely new dimension.

“The empirical implications are absolutely huge,” Dr. Crespi said in a phone interview. “If you get a gene linked to autism, for instance, you’d want to look at that same gene for schizophrenia; if it’s a social brain gene, then it would be expected to have opposite effects on these disorders, whether gene expression was turned up or turned down.”

The theory leans heavily on the work of David Haig of Harvard. It was Dr. Haig who argued in the 1990s that pregnancy was in part a biological struggle for resources between the mother and unborn child. On one side, natural selection should favor mothers who limit the nutritional costs of pregnancy and have more offspring; on the other, it should also favor fathers whose offspring maximize the nutrients they receive during gestation, setting up a direct conflict.

The evidence that this struggle is being waged at the level of individual genes is accumulating, if mostly circumstantial. For example, the fetus inherits from both parents a gene called IGF2, which promotes growth. But too much growth taxes the mother, and in normal development her IGF2 gene is chemically marked, or “imprinted,” and biologically silenced. If her gene is active, it causes a disorder of overgrowth, in which the fetus’s birth weight swells, on average, to 50 percent above normal.

Biologists call this gene imprinting an epigenetic, or “on-genetic,” effect, meaning that it changes the behavior of the gene without altering its chemical composition. It is not a matter of turning a gene on or off, which cells do in the course of normal development. Instead it is a matter of muffling a gene, for instance, with a chemical marker that makes it hard for the cell to read the genetic code; or altering the shape of the DNA molecule, or what happens to the proteins it produces. To illustrate how such genetic reshaping can give rise to behavioral opposites — the yin and yang that their theory proposes — Dr. Crespi and Dr. Badcock point to a remarkable group of children who are just that: opposites, as different temperamentally as Snoopy and Charlie Brown, as a lively Gaugin and a brooding Goya.

Those with the genetic disorder called Angelman syndrome typically have a jerky gait, appear unusually happy and have difficulty communicating. Those born with a genetic problem known as Prader-Willi syndrome often are placid, compliant and as youngsters low maintenance.

Yet these two disorders, which turn up in about one of 10,000 newborns, stem from disruptions of the same genetic region on chromosome 15. If the father’s genes dominate in this location, the child develops Angelman syndrome; if the mother’s do, the result is Prader-Willi syndrome, as Dr. Haig and others have noted. The former is associated with autism, and the latter with mood problems and psychosis later on — just as the new theory predicts.

Emotional problems like depression, anxiety and bipolar disorder, seen through this lens, appear on Mom’s side of the teeter-totter, with schizophrenia, while Asperger’s syndrome and other social deficits are on Dad’s.

It was Dr. Badcock who noticed that some problems associated with autism, like a failure to meet another’s gaze, are direct contrasts to those found in people with schizophrenia, who often believe they are being watched. Where children with autism appear blind to others’ thinking and intentions, people with schizophrenia see intention and meaning everywhere, in their delusions. The idea expands on the “extreme male brain” theory of autism proposed by Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen of Cambridge.

“Think of the grandiosity in schizophrenia, how some people think that they are Jesus, or Napoleon, or omnipotent,” Dr. Crespi said, “and then contrast this with the underdeveloped sense of self in autism. Autistic kids often talk about themselves in the third person.”

Such observations and biological evidence are hardly enough to overturn current thinking about disorders as distinct as autism and schizophrenia, experts agree. “I think his work is often brilliant,” Dr. Stephen Scherer, of the University of Toronto and the Hospital for Sick Children, said by e-mail message of Dr. Crespi. At the same time, Dr. Scherer added, “For autism there will not be one unifying theory but perhaps for a proportion of families there are underlying common variants” of genes that together cause the disorder.

The theory also does not fit all of the various quirks of autism and schizophrenia on flip sides of the same behavioral coin. The father of biological psychiatry, Emil Kraepelin, in the late 1800s made a distinction between mood problems, like depression and bipolar disorder, and the thought distortions of schizophrenia — a distinction that, to most psychiatrists, still holds up. Many people with schizophrenia, moreover, show little emotion; they would seem to be off the psychosis spectrum altogether, as the new theory describes it.

But experts familiar with their theory say that the two scientists have, at minimum, infused the field with a shot of needed imagination and demonstrated the power of thinking outside the gene. For just as a gene can carry a mark from its parent of origin, so it can be imprinted by that parent’s own experience.

The study of such markers should have a “significant impact on our understanding of mental health conditions,” said Dr. Bhismadev Chakrabarti, of the Autism Research Center at the University of Cambridge, “as, in some ways, they represent the first environmental influence on the expression of the genes.”

Link for the article.

Link for the WP thread discussing it.


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10 Feb 2009, 7:06 pm

A pot of gold. :wink:


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