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14 Feb 2009, 10:06 am

She already has six kids, and apparently doesn't pay to raise them, her mother is in massive debt trying to feed all those kids. She doesn't work. She apparently WANTED to have 12 kids as a single mom, then get rich off the fact that she had this weird life, like she wanted to be a freak show so she could make money. I don't think she really has a clue how to raise 14 kids, and that she'll need help, and everybody seems pretty mad at her so I don't think they'd watch her TV show. I think that eventually Child Protective Services will step in and remove the kids. Those octuplet babies will all have serious problems. My spell checker doesn't recognize the word "octuplet", which shows you how rare it is. Humans aren't meant to have litters.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:10 am

I saw that the other day on MSN and I definitley think she's on the spectrum.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:11 am

Stupidity alone doesn't make you a person with AS. Even that level of naivety wouldn't occur in someone with AS.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:14 am

Well, what is done is done. The job now is to make sure all of the kids are raised in a way to at least be able to function independently and within our society.


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14 Feb 2009, 10:15 am

Stupidity alone doesn't make you a person with AS. Even that level of naivety wouldn't occur in someone with AS.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:20 am

One of her kids is autistic and two others are disabled in some way.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:47 am

There's something Ed Gein-ish or Norman Bates-ish over this woman, or "Octopussy" as she's called online...
She needs to do something extreme to create a perfect world for herself.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:49 am

The question remains: Why would anyone want to have more kids when you already have 6???

My parents had a hard enough time with 5. Then one moved out, the other went to school, and managing 3 is much easier.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:32 pm

I don't want her to be on the spectrum. I like finding positive role models, not negative ones, and this woman really irks me. She is selfish to the core, and illogical when you think about it. She isn't raising those kids on her own; she relies on her parents for help; and those are the same parents she called dysfunctional in raising her. WHY would you do that, then? She contradicts herself. And her logic is flawed; she can pay for the kids because of student loans???

If she has issues herself yes I feel empathy for that but she had a DUTY, and I mean a DUTY, to consider what those issues might mean to CHILDREN she chooses to raise. I think AS can make fine parents, but I can't imagine any AS I know successfully raising 6 children much less 14. That requires a very keen social intuition and perfected multi-tasking skills. Making this choice is NOT something I can see a single person I've met through WP doing. You all would KNOW it was a disaster waiting to happen. I certainly would.

The more I think about it, the less I believe that her problem could be AS. Perhaps she has a trait or two - many people do - but that wouldn't make her AS, it would explain the AS offspring.


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14 Feb 2009, 1:06 pm

I was thinking she might have a form of AS, too.
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She seems to have the same thing I've got, except mine is confined to a more 'narrow' form of it, (an intense desire to be pregnant only) and I was never obsessed with kids at a young age nor do I want a litter. I also am kinda 'meh' on babies and kids.

With mine its like an itch you can't scatch, one that is so intense that it literally can drive you to suicide if not given in to. If I do have a kid from giving into it, I will sure try to be a good mother, but I am worried that this 'itch' won't go away, that I will still have the intense overweening desire to keep being pregnant.


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14 Feb 2009, 2:07 pm

Autistic, no; moronic, yes; insane, yes; will have a HORRIBLE time with postpartum depression, most likely.



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14 Feb 2009, 2:55 pm

The more I think about it, the more I disagree that she may be on the specturm, although what Metalwood has shared is giving me pause.

Here is the thing. This woman made a carefully thought out choice to do something stupid. It isn't a meltdown, it isn't a social gaff, it is planned, considered, and followed through on. With the AS I've met, it isn't the thought out decisions that result in issues, it is the reactive, daily living that causes issues.

While I love how this community tries to reach out to everyone who may be missunderstood, to claim them one of their own based on that shared experience, it isn't always appropriate. Sympathy for what cannot be controlled, or is part of ones nature is a wonderful thing. But sympathy for solid choices is another.

Nadya made a choice. She invested a lot in that choice. And she made a really poor and selfish one.

That is NOT an AS trait.


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14 Feb 2009, 3:13 pm

Americanaspergers wrote:
Interesting....could be. I wonder if she is a "good mother" to her children. If so, I think the media should leave her alone. If not..well :roll:


She:

1. IS ON WELFARE!
2. HAS NO REAL PROSPECTS!
3. HAS NO COMMITED RELATIONSHIP!
4. HAS HER MOTHER "taking care of the kids"!
5. CONSIDERS HER KIDS ONLY A WAY TO MAYBE MAKE MONEY!

She can not be, IN ANY WAY, a good mother! Some would even say she isn't their mother. She simply had them in her womb for so many months.

People like her should be LOCKED UP!! !! !! !! !! !! BTW she is NOT AS! I doubt she is even HFA! MAYBE LFA! But WHY do you feel she is even on the spectrum?



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14 Feb 2009, 3:25 pm

BTW I DON'T GET IT!! !! !! !! There are only FOUR ways to get that many kids at once!

1. A MIRACLE! Has it EVER HAPPENED? I have NEVER heard of it!
2. Natural Hormone problem! Has it EVER HAPPENED? I have NEVER heard of it!
3. Artificial Hormone changes! Has it EVER HAPPENED? YEP, it is a GIVEN with "fertility treatments". Got that? A GIVEN!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
4. Artificial Implantation of existing fertilized eggs. Has it EVER HAPPENED? YEP, it is a GIVEN with "fertility treatments". Got that? A GIVEN!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! THIS was done HERE!

So what don't I get? WHY are people publicized and lauded so much for being female(BIG DEAL, over 50% of the planet is female), and having a few shots, or implanted(BIG DEAL, this is NOT that unusual, and is likely to CLIMB for many reasons). And HOW could that IDIOT get a book deal? What will the book say? "Born Female, was bored, wanted to be a mother, cheated ...., got fertility treatments, had 8 kids to add to the other 6 kids, thanks for paying for my trouble by buying my stupid book.". WOW, I saved you the trouble of buying her book.



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14 Feb 2009, 4:43 pm

lol "BAP" :lol:



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14 Feb 2009, 4:56 pm

I doubt this woman is on the spectrum, and even if she is I don't for a second condone what she has so selfishly done. Just because someone may have an autistic child, and seem odd in some way or another doesn't mean that they're on the spectrum. I am failing to grasp why anyone would think she is.

If she is on the spectrum I hope that the media never finds out. That's the last thing all the responsible, loving, caring attentive AS mothers out there need is for the public to have her as a point of reference about AS mothering.

I agree with pretty much everything that DW_a_mom has said, except that I think that I could raise 6 children, just not all at once. I think I'm a good mother, and have been told as much. I don't have one iota of sympathy for this woman. There is no possible way that any one person can even attempt to care for 8 babies at one time. Even if she forgoes sleep for the next three yrs it's not possible, let alone the fact that she has 6 more children to care for. She doesn't even have a plan as to go about doing this. No father, no job, or other means as to hiring help. No resources. Aspies tend to overplan every little detail in anything that they will be involved in. She doesn't have any resources, or any plans as to how to do any of this. It's as if these kids are dolls to her, or somehow unreal. She doesn't seem to be aware of any consequences for her actions. My personal opinion is that she's a sandwich short of a picnic, but not AS.