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koolguy18
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26 Feb 2009, 9:50 pm

what if you did the opposite of your instincts, like george from seinfeld in one episode and everything goods really well for him. Obviously thats not real, but the concept intrigues me, since my current instincts and efforts seem to be acheiving little in terms of social success. I've come to the conclusion that how i think people function as social beings is false, or at least partially so. If that is the case, should not the opposite be correct? I understand that social behaviour, at least to me, seems like a series of arbitrary decisions that can change for little apparent reason. What do people think of doing the opposite of everything you believe to be correct?



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26 Feb 2009, 11:35 pm

Illogical


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26 Feb 2009, 11:44 pm

I'm really interested in this concept. I have always had an instinct to do the opposite of what people require or expect, which I think is a slight case of ODD, but in many ways people's expectations are bizarre or self serving or serve the 'clan' mentality anyway. It's interesting from a christian point of view too because Jesus is often recommending that people do the opposite of what would usually take place, eg turn the other cheek. I have always suspected that whatever the majority believe or do is wrong because they are such followers of fashion.



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27 Feb 2009, 1:49 am

There are more than 2 ways to go.

But trying "the opposite way" might teach you that there is more than 1 way to go.



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27 Feb 2009, 2:01 am

Why go from left to right when it's about colors?
I'm sure the opposite will be wrong as well.
I hope you know that "so crazy it just might work" ideas usually don't work.



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27 Feb 2009, 2:42 am

koolguy18 wrote:
what if you did the opposite of your instincts, like george from seinfeld in one episode and everything goods really well for him. Obviously thats not real, but the concept intrigues me, since my current instincts and efforts seem to be acheiving little in terms of social success. I've come to the conclusion that how i think people function as social beings is false, or at least partially so. If that is the case, should not the opposite be correct? I understand that social behaviour, at least to me, seems like a series of arbitrary decisions that can change for little apparent reason. What do people think of doing the opposite of everything you believe to be correct?


It could be real...


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27 Feb 2009, 3:22 am

Sometimes I think it is just me, no matter what I do.

There is an episode of South Park that fits this situation well, oddly enough. The one where they parody High School Musical? Everyone in South Park has jumped on the HSM wagon and the leader is a 3rd grader whose dad makes him do musicals, so all the girls sing and dance to get his attention. The boys figure out that by not acting like they like HSM and singing, they're suffering socially. So they convince the singing boy to join the basketball team so they'll have less competition, and they force themselves to watch the movies and then show up at school to express themselves in song. But no one cares anymore. Singing is now totally lame, and basketball is awesome. Because it isn't the interest, it is who is interested in it.

In college I liked David Bowie, but my "friends" said that was lame and embarrassing. When my ex-best friend decided she liked David Bowie a few months later, it was cutting edge and fascinating. When other girls wear skinny jeans and boots, they look hot. When I go against my instincts and wear skinny jeans and boots, I look stupid. When I wanted to advertise our events with flyers, it was a horrible idea. When she took my flyer design and said it was her own, she saved the day.

It doesn't matter if I'm being myself or pretending to be someone else, something about me creates situations that are lose-lose-lose. My friend could do anything I was ridiculed for and always win, even if the details were exactly the same.

It might work for other people, but I've given into and fought every instinct, tried to be just about everybody else including myself and still have failed.

Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be.



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27 Feb 2009, 1:51 pm

none of u make any sense and im usually good with philosophy, especially after readin s**t from Platees and Aristocrats

please post examples



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27 Feb 2009, 2:12 pm

beareater wrote:
none of u make any sense and im usually good with philosophy, especially after readin sh** from Platees and Aristocrats

please post examples

Most philosophers I know how to spell.
Anyway, a extremely obvious example would be social situations. Usually if someone says 'Hi' to me I ignore them. If I were to say, 'Hi' back to them, I'd get somewhere.
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27 Feb 2009, 2:23 pm

but look thats normal for aspie peeps to act like that, the opposite would be to respond in that situation

for normal peeps the opposite would be to be aspielike

and ye my fav philosopher is Duchartes

are u that aspie spelling bee champion that was on cnn a while ago yo

i heard he post here



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27 Feb 2009, 2:25 pm

That wouldn't work either. Because there are a lot alternatives, not just one possible way to do things right and wrong. It would be very lucky to do the opposite of the right thing. Doing the opposite of 1 wrong thing might mean you're just doing yet another wrong thing in the majority of cases.

Think of eye-contact which is still one of the simple social things (unless you experience anxiety or so) one can do. If you have little eye contact and would attempt to do the opposite, you'd try to have a lot of eye-contact. But in trying to establish a lot of eye-contact, you might end up doing too much.


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