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26 Mar 2009, 11:38 pm

I used to lie as a kid only because I didn't want to get in trouble and I have made up stories to get attention or get reactions but my mother always yelled at me for lying or punished me depending on the lie so I eventually learned to be truthful. I guess that's how aspies learn to be honest but there are cons to teaching them to be honest and it be hard to get them to do the grey areas.


I was 15 when I learned lot of aspies are honest and I asked the mother why who told me that and she said because they are literal. Now I understand the answer. Teach an aspie to not lie, they take it literally so they don't lie at all and they are honest and don't tell social lies or white lies.



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26 Mar 2009, 11:40 pm

I don't.

I probably should lie or hide the truth in certain situations, but eh, I have problems with keeping my thoughts to myself. I just blurt it all out.



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26 Mar 2009, 11:44 pm

I lie-like any human can and does
it doesn't bother me so much
certain things shouldn't be said
or the situation is better with a lie
(so sue me I am not a pressy goody-two-shoes little b***h pants because I act like an "NT" when I socialize)
last thing I want is to be an outcast again
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27 Mar 2009, 12:34 am

No.

I can lie if necessary.

I don't know if I'm a good liar, but I'm certainly not totally incapable of it.



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27 Mar 2009, 12:38 am

I don't like lying, I feel guilty when I do but I'm capable of it.
When I was a kid I had no problem with it. I knew it was wrong but I liked to distort the truth and make me more interesting. I think I stopped when my brother called me a liar when I was being truthful. That's something I can't take.



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27 Mar 2009, 1:03 am

pensieve wrote:
... I think I stopped when my brother called me a liar when I was being truthful. That's something I can't take.

I absolutely can't stand it when I'm being called a liar and I'm really telling the truth. It happens too often, even with people who know me. Sometimes people actually refuse to believe the truth, or maybe they can't comprehend the truth. It's even worse when people "cry wolf." I am very mistrusting because of that.



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27 Mar 2009, 11:00 am

I don't have any difficulty telling a lie, per se, simply making a statement that isn't true. What I am absolutely incapable of is generally behaving untruthfully. Such as pretending to be interested in or care about things that I don't, pretending to like someone that I loathe, sucking up to people I have no respect for just because doing so might help me attain a goal. I can verbally lie, but I can't 'socially lie'.



27 Mar 2009, 2:27 pm

sketches wrote:
pensieve wrote:
... I think I stopped when my brother called me a liar when I was being truthful. That's something I can't take.

I absolutely can't stand it when I'm being called a liar and I'm really telling the truth. It happens too often, even with people who know me. Sometimes people actually refuse to believe the truth, or maybe they can't comprehend the truth. It's even worse when people "cry wolf." I am very mistrusting because of that.



Same here. If something incredible happens to me, I think I'll keep it to myself but sometimes it so hard to keep things to myself.


Oh I applied to be an extra in a TNT tv show that is going to be shot here :wink:



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27 Mar 2009, 5:18 pm

I can lie, given I have time to think about my response. If it is something that I have half a second to think of an answer for, the truth will be out of my mouth before I've even registered that it's possible to give another answer.

If I have say even only 10 seconds to think about it, then yeah sometimes I can do it =P



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27 Mar 2009, 5:25 pm

I cannot lie at all and it drives me crazy if somehow the thought that someone has lied to me gets into my head. I will tweak out constantly until they tell me the truth or show they didn't lie.



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27 Mar 2009, 6:32 pm

vivinator wrote:
ie you have a very hard time doing it.


Always tell the truth and you'll avoid a lot of things you shouldn't have to deal with.

I can tell you from experience that you can get pretty good at lying. Somewhere along the way, as a kid, I got into the habit of telling people what they wanted to hear. I'm nearly 40 now and I've spent the last 5 years working on being honest with myself and everyone around me.

It's been easier for me to be honest, once I made the decision to revert, as there's a built in mechanism in me that goes off when I feel the inclination to do it again. I've found that, the 10% of the time it really REALLY sucks to be honest is worth the benefits gained. When I'm completely honest my brain can work freely and without restraint.



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27 Mar 2009, 6:38 pm

Well, it depends. I have a hard time believing someone when they say they never lie. I wonder...could that be a lie? Is it possible to never lie about anything? What if it's so simple as it being a lie because you cannot remember the original information:

"How many ice cubes were in your drink."
"Four"
"No, there were five, I remember counting how many when I put them in the glass"

Even though, technically, you forgot, it can still be called a lie, of sorts. Honesty would mean saying

"I don't know how many were in there, I forgot to count."



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27 Mar 2009, 6:43 pm

NTIDAS wrote:
vivinator wrote:
ie you have a very hard time doing it.


Always tell the truth and you'll avoid a lot of things you shouldn't have to deal with.

I can tell you from experience that you can get pretty good at lying. Somewhere along the way, as a kid, I got into the habit of telling people what they wanted to hear. I'm nearly 40 now and I've spent the last 5 years working on being honest with myself and everyone around me.

It's been easier for me to be honest, once I made the decision to revert, as there's a built in mechanism in me that goes off when I feel the inclination to do it again. I've found that, the 10% of the time it really REALLY sucks to be honest is worth the benefits gained. When I'm completely honest my brain can work freely and without restraint.


I think living with lies and falseness is like living in a cage. I imagine it could be an almost suffocating burden.



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27 Mar 2009, 7:26 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What if it's so simple as it being a lie because you cannot remember the original information:

"How many ice cubes were in your drink."
"Four"
"No, there were five, I remember counting how many when I put them in the glass"

Even though, technically, you forgot, it can still be called a lie, of sorts. Honesty would mean saying

"I don't know how many were in there, I forgot to count."


I agree. I hate that there are so many people who secretly don't know the truth, but say so confidently that it's something else. It's apparently in most adults. Some people recite incorrect statistics because of this, and word gets around, and soon enough we're all mislead. This happens with rumors, politics, the media (including reports who like to give estimates without telling us they're just estimates), and too much more.

Just say: "I forgot; I think there were four," or "about four," which would still be accurate because of the about meaning more or less. It doesn't make sense for someone to lie because they forget. I think some people are embarrassed for being mistaken as dumb or forgetful, or they like to sound like they know what they're talking about. This actually happens to me often, and as a constant personal experience, it's very bothersome.

Whatever the case, like someone said earlier, if you just tell the truth, then you'll avoid a lot of misfortune.



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28 Mar 2009, 1:03 am

Hovis wrote:
I don't have any difficulty telling a lie, per se, simply making a statement that isn't true. What I am absolutely incapable of is generally behaving untruthfully. Such as pretending to be interested in or care about things that I don't, pretending to like someone that I loathe, sucking up to people I have no respect for just because doing so might help me attain a goal. I can verbally lie, but I can't 'socially lie'.


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