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Just a minute. Not all Aspies have that trait. I have a cupboard full of clothes of a great variety of styles. Getting dressed is a game to me, like paper dolls or drawing pictures. An outfit is a costume, and I play various characters in the theatre production which is my life. As the wardrobe mistress in my own play, I care very much that my characters' outfits should either suit or deliberately contradict their roles, depending on the character I am playing, the scene of the play, and the anticipated interaction with other characters.

That has to do with your personality, not your AS.

Many of the lesser functioning people with AS on these boards have a tendency to accredit their entire personality to AS. They seem to have such a weak self and theory of mind that AS to them "explains who they are". Other than their clinical differences, they are empty shells with 0 personality. I'm sickened by that.

I also have AS, but it's just a minor nuisance, not who I am. I have a much stronger identity so I don't need to use a psychiatric diagnosis to represent personality.

LOLS

Teach them to pass the Gom jabbar test.

Thank-you for your vote of confidence.

I should like to suggest that the collective wisdom of those who have expertise in this area, whether in the form of academic research, or as therapists or family members of affected persons, formally express their interest to contribute to a book with the provisional title Neurotypical Syndrome: Practical strategies for home, school and the workplace. The book is intended to have a dual role, viz. to help not only those who must interact with neurotypicals, but also the neurotypicals themselves to gain a better perspective on their condition so that they might begin the arduous path towards self-help.

Nomenclature

Neurotypical Syndrome is, of course, a misnomer, because it simply means "the most common neurology", and does not indicate the prevalence of an underlying pathology with certain typically co-morbid conditions, but that will be explained in the foreword, and elaboration will be given in the chapter on theory and classification. It would be important to state that although there are certain severely disabling traits associated with the syndrome, affected people are usually happy the way that they are and that they have the right to seek help with their problems without attempts being made to "cure" them of the totality of their character.

For that reason, I suggest that although the title of the book should remain simply so that it will be relatable for affected persons and so that they will easily be able to find it at Amazon.com, we should introduce a new term to describe their neurological spectrum, and not use judgemental words like "syndrome", which, although it denotes a general group of characteristics, also has the negative connotation of being somehow diseased.

This aspect of the approach is open to further input and debate. I will issue a request for papers and specify the format, length and other submission criteria later.

Project management methodology

I propose that the project should be managed according to the PRINCE2 methodology, but with a modification of the Project Manager role, which does not normally make allowance for the inclusion of the Project Manager as a key supplier. In order to address the potential conflict arising from this, the Project Quality Plan will assign additional authority to the role of Project Assurance.

Proposed approach

Although I would like to see a tolerant approach that encourages acceptance whilst addressing co-morbidity, I think it is important that other perspectives should also be discussed in some detail in a chapter which contrasts the various approaches to therapy. To this end, I welcome more detailed input from who differ from me and who have suggested more drastic forms of treatment, such as electric shock therapy and other forms of assistance with non-cognitive behavioural patterning.

In addition, there should be detailed interviews with a variety of neurotypicals from various ages and all walks of life including those who live independently. Interviews should:

* Show how neurotypicals see themselves and how they feel about their condition, and
* Offer advice to other neurotypicals on how to cope.

It may even be necessary to invite at least one neurotypical to reside on the editorial panel, not only for auditing purposes, but also so that we ensure that we show a genuine commitment to understanding and empathy with those affected by the condition.

Pre-project activities

I will draw up a list of requirements, suggestions and discussion items once I have time, which may not be soon. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in participating in the project, kindly state briefly:

* The role(s) you would like to fulfil in the project, e.g. member of the project's management team, contributing author, reviewer, etc., and
* Any topics you would like to see included in the book.

Kindly also provide a detailed list of spelling and punctuation mistakes, grammatical, syntax errors and factual errors in the text of this proposal, and any comments or suggestions on the proposal itself.

I accept and agree fully now that I understand you better. I share certain thinking styles, as well as certain co-morbid conditions with other Aspies, but I was not genetically predestined to come to specific conclusions or to hold the same opinions or tastes. I misinterpreted your earlier comment because I read is as a too-encompassing generalisation of the manifestation of the condition itself -- a criterion for inclusion.

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Trying to pin a personality trait on AS is kind of fruitless. Your personality is built up by your brain chemistry through your experiences. To suggest that trait A is or is not attributable in some way, shape, or form to AS would require an understanding of our brain that is well beyond science at this point.

Another trait we would have to cure (or help the NTs to manage) is microlalia.
Or as they call it themselves: smalltalk.

That will require a one-on-one aid to monitor the NT child to make sure they don't embarrass themselves by engaging in this inappropriate behavior.

Once again, I think it would be unfair to curb their desire for smalltalk. It fulfils a specific function for them and serves to diffuse the stress they have about getting to the point or talking about something specific, which requires a lot of concentration for some. It also does for them what pinging does for computers: gives reassurance that there is a communication channel available, even if there are not currently any important data packets being transferred.

I think it comes down to appropriate management of significant co-morbidities. For example, an NT should should know that if he wants to make smalltalk, he should at least tell the truth, particularly if asked the popular question, "How are you?" In addition, he should be encouraged to increase the topics included in the smalltalk so that his companion might at least learn something new and interesting from the conversation.

How much do you want to bet that as you tried to turn NTs into Aspies that they would develop all and more of the maladaptive manifestations that spectrum individuals develop when people try to make them more “NT”

bookwormde

we should also get care homes to all those poor nt's suffering in them condition and at same tike try helping em by making em more like nt ..poor nt,s

Zoonic, while your first point is somewhat interesting, I am just wondering: do you consider in your recitation of those proverbial cockatial of "all 4" Cluster B personality traits you personally possess, is included certain trait hypocritical ideations, exhibited on a somewhat opportunistic basis, as well ?

I observe that while you secretly love your Aspieness (of which you are loathe and highly resistant to confess, and please don't think this post is blasphemous), you are actively (and some others have perceived, rudely) trolling about projecting just the opposite drooling and glassy waxy transparent green eyes caricatures onto others. But, I am only the asker of the question, and I do not share that perception, since I already told you I think you are a bit of fun. And, I like your avatar.

You never answered my other inquiry, either, and you are falling behind -- do you paint and draw ? While you are such the denialist of your AS, I would note that the geographical location of Sweden raises the statistical probability you may have suffered from a long-standing Vitamin D deficiency.

I don't have glassy eyes. No NT thinks I have AS just by looking at me. There's nothing that's abnormal in my face.

I do have a very evident cluster B personality. When reading about it I recognize myself much more than when I read about AS.

I used to be good at painting as a kid but then that interest changed into music and later language. I have a balanced IQ without any leaps or handicaps. I'm above average in all fields.

Your way of expressing yourself is annoying. I don't like autistic communication. I prefer intuitive, emotional communication through eye contact, gestures and simple sarcasm.

I would bet quite a bit on it, actually. Especially the anxiety and depression parts.

I can read. You never said you had glassy eyes; I did not say that. You rejected the glassy eyes-looks of others, who told you to go away. I took a certain amount of pity on you for your plight, figuring that your glassy eyes problems were on the inside not the outside, but you are a rejecter of pity, as well as your similar AS identity with others, and the certain amount of respect I gave you not to mention what I thought. No one can please you. It is very unfortunate. You also lack a certain amount of insight. It doesn't really bother me that you don't like autistic communication. You are always free to leave the forum, no one is stopping you. There, you might find more eye contact and gestures to your liking, since computers cannot offer you such thrills.

Your balanced IQ, and Cluster B personality traits, and your associational projections of them onto your avatar annoy me. I prefer more friendly avatars. Your hang-ups with NTs also annoy me.