An untrue fact about autism spectrum disorders.

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"The autism spectrum includes autism, Asperger syndrome, and PDD-NOS. One thing we have in common is an impairment in nonverbal communication"

This is highly untrue the reason it's untrue is because not all the time do kids with aspergers or pdd-nos have non-verbal communication or autism, autism can sometimes be generalized by language delays or verbal communication delays, also kids with ASD sometimes don't have trouble with non-verbal communication some are actually good at it, sometimes there is no non-verbal communication disorder in AS or pdd-nos or autism (language delays/speech delay) and sometimes the non-verbal impairment can be misinterpretating things but not taking them literally like sometimes figures of speech. Therefore this theory of people with ASD having this delay is debunked. I have pdd-nos and I got told I have good verbal and non-verbal communication and no stereotyped behavior, but I do however have social problems like no eye contact or have a hard time maintaining friendships.

I actually have a strong grasp on non-verbal communication and subtle social cues. The problem for me personally is utilizing them into communication. As in, I can read most anyone's body language, but any non-verbal gestures I reciprocate are consciously motivated. They aren't instinctive.

theperson, abnormal/lack of eye-contact is an impairment of non-verbal communication.

I personally feel the delay comes from differences in the emotional context we put on words, I've noticed that happier words give me happier feelings and these happier feelings can possibly give me a delusional thought, I attractive women give me pretty attractive thoughts and I realize it's towards them, but just because I find them visually appealing doesn't necessarily belive that these are logical feelings, it is never logical to apply an emotion to a logic, when we inevitably do because we sense emotion in other people through word or concept association we assume these emotions without realizing them for what they are, I don't think AS people just do this, I think everyone does this. As a diagnosed AS, I've learned that I can realize that I have feelings or indicators for emotions, but that it is illogical to apply these indicators to reality without an accurate perception, I think AS people are just more prone to not being social because other people don't use their own thought proccesses correctly and we have always assumed correctness in those thought proccesses, I think anyone is capable of making a mistake like that.

On the opposite spectrum, negative analysis of the situation brings about a negative emotion, which takes us to an analysis stage of the thought process where we try to fix things, if we try to fix problems we only think we have it also causes a state of discontentment. Also I've come to realize that some words don't have any meaning to me whatsoever, I've decided that even though other people use these words to describe reality, I don't understand them completely, so I have decided to only express thoughts or ideas that I believe are appropriate for the outside world, and in order to think of what's appropriate for the outside world I have to think of what's appropriate for me. Inevitably I should take other people's opinions off of my spectrum until I've had a chance to analyze them completely before approaching a logical conclusion regarding them.

On an equation level my reality would look like this. Reality=Yourself + a constantly changing perspective. Irony often gives people their perspective so I find it useful to give me mine. In fact I've learned that if I express everything I see in a logically contradictory pattern, ie; I present the known and unknown in my statements, people tend to agree with me.

From this, I think that people who use a beautiful thought proccess with words are able to seduce others by them without their concious awareness.

I feel that some of the problems you've encountered have been caused by other people's actions, but their intent wasn't to do harm, they just didn't consider your feelings and since yours are so strong, you will inevitably consider their feelings. A thought analysis through your emotions could possibly reveal some concepts that aren't accurate, I think that if you use your simplest logic to guide yourself to anything, it should be more correct logic and not towards maintaining an emotion that might not be congruent with your reality. In my opinion, you will inevitably make the right decisions for you in the end.

Reality is that which stimulates from a position external to the system of you rather than internal to the system of you. The system of you is entirely unable to determine external versus internal except by means of triangulation via comparison with others experiences of the same stimuli. You can do this triangulation in a socialized group emotion experience manner, or in a logical hands on analysis. One method of doing this can be described as a Recursive Dichotomic Deduction. There is also a Recursive Dichotomic Induction.

The expression of an emotional experience is in how you say it. The what is secondary. The expression of a logical experience is in what you say. How you say it is secondary. Everybody does both, the importance of a spectrum model is in showing how things induce a tendency to prefer one over the other.

OP makes the assumumption that all people with autism are like him. His diagnosis as PDD-NOS means that his diagnosig Doctor beleifes that he fits the spirit of the idea of autism, just not some of the qualifers ( or atleast thats the idea of NOS diagnoses).

NV communication impairment is a core part of an autism Diagnosis. Yes HF forms of autism, this impairment may be less then it is in LF forms, but it is still there.

The OP states that he has no impairment in NV communication. Explanations of this are:

A - OP is incorrectly diagnosed with Autism.
B - OP has adapted to appear to have no impairment, when in fact its still there, just hidden.
C - OP does have NV impairment, but does not realize it.

Please don't take offense to anything I have written, it was not intended that way. I have reread it and worry it might come off a little snobby. This is just my initial reaction the the OP's post.

You think it sounds snobby because you stated it like a clinician and who doesn't know a bunch of snobby clinicians, would be my guess.

That would be it because theperson says



As I said before, a lack of eye-contact is an impairment of non-verbal communication and a very typical one. It is even an example of what impairments of non-verbal behaviours mean in the diagnosis criteria of the DSM.

It is a very good point that it does manifest differently in all of us.

That being said, in this particular case, I'm going with Sora 100% for the win. Stellar reasoning, flawless victory, etc. Remind me not to get into any debates with you

I'd suggest we should encourage debates with people that display sound reasoning skills and a flair for strong rhetoric. All the more likely to show us where we are wrong, and concede when we are right.

That's a good suggestion, I wish more people felt that way and I'm starting to wish someone had explained it to me a long time ago.

I love that! It's impossible to disagree with.

If one agrees that we should encourage these debates, one is agreeing.
If one disagrees that we should encourage these debates then they are, in fact, debating you and (assuming they are using sound reasoning skills to do so) they automatically lose the argument.

I don't know if you planned that, but it was exceedingly clever

isn't untrue fact an oxymoron?

Maybe now you may have good non-verbal skills, but are you sure you once didn't and just learned them? I don't think I struggle with the non-verbal, but I just don't notice stuff like that, so maybe I do. I'm sure when I was younger I wasn't very good though.

And you know that everyone with ASD are affected in different ways. You may have some traits, but you won't have all. Or you might be severe in some traits and have mild traits in other areas, whereas your ASD neighbour may be just the opposite.

I just want to say that this would be a non-verbal impairment with the eye contact, but a lot of doctors do not consider just not having eye contact a significant non-verbal impairment. They only consider it things a non-verbal impairment if almost and/or all types of non-verbal communication is impaired, not just a couple. I know it is unfortunate, but there are still a lot of doctors who question these diagnosis. that is why The person got PDD-NOS, instead of Asperger's. Usually with PDD-NOS a person can not fit the full criteria for either autism nor asperger's, but can have some of the impairments and/or characteristics of both. It is very confusing, but depending on where you are from, what doctor a person sees, what the doctors knowledge and/or experience with autism spectrum disorder is, and many other factors can influence a person getting the correct diagnosis. That is why a lot pf people get second opinions.

Where did you get the quote? Was it a so-called "reliable source?" Are you able to determine that?

Mine?

Sure, everyone can find it in the DSM-IV-TR.