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09 Jun 2009, 4:30 pm

As a reply to the question about whether someone with NLD can have some areas of nonverbal strength, I think it's possible. I have NLD and the following are so-called nonverbal things I heard of people with NLD doing well (or without serious trouble):
-playing a musical instrument
-having a few friends
-relating well to animals
-cooking
-simple art projects
-applying Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences
-capable of doing well in relatively unstructured setting
-attending outdoor leadership therapy camp
-"thinking outside the box"
-enjoying creative writing
-able to make compromises
-can be inventive/creative/resourceful
-uses intuition
-displays sensitivity to self and others


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09 Jun 2009, 8:03 pm

hannahcamille wrote:
As a reply to the question about whether someone with NLD can have some areas of nonverbal strength, I think it's possible. I have NLD and the following are so-called nonverbal things I heard of people with NLD doing well (or without serious trouble):
-playing a musical instrument
-having a few friends
-relating well to animals
-cooking
-simple art projects
-applying Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences
-capable of doing well in relatively unstructured setting
-attending outdoor leadership therapy camp
-"thinking outside the box"
-enjoying creative writing
-able to make compromises
-can be inventive/creative/resourceful
-uses intuition
-displays sensitivity to self and others

Writing is a verbal skill. People with NLD do pretty with the written word once any tracking issue is taken care of, and its been noted with individuals with NLD tend to be very imaginative. Writing is a very common profession with individuals with nld.
Music also plays into NLDs assets. NLD is noted for BOTH audio and verbal assets. While we may struggle to read the music on a paper, we seem to have an intuitive and natural ability with music because of auditory assets.

So while you may think those are nonverbal, you have to realize the verbal is anything auditory.

The nonverbal is in refrence to spatial and visual deficits. Folks with NLD have a very good grasp though on language and music, basically, all things auditory. I may not be able to catch a persons mood with body language, but I am very sensitive to moods which come out in ones voice.



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10 Jun 2009, 5:39 pm

Question:

Is it possible to have aspergers and NLD at the same time? Because that's what I apparently have. 8O



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11 Jun 2009, 8:57 pm

Whatsherhame wrote:
Question:

Is it possible to have aspergers and NLD at the same time? Because that's what I apparently have. 8O


yup.


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23 Jun 2009, 4:02 pm

well--don't know if anyone else is posting at this thread anymore, but felt i had to jump in anyway.

in 40's and just coming into an awareness of both NLD and AS. the descriptions of NLD especially have given me a strong framework for putting a lot of little mysteries into perspective. once i have health care, will consult a neuropsychologist.

i've always wondered about my "wiring"--at least, as long as it was possible to wonder about such things. knew it was different. (have an almost photographic memory for words and can be highly analytical but can get lost in familiar buildings. didn't ride a bike until 12. math is an enduring mystery. that tricky "left-right thing" still catches me up.)

just wondering how people with NLD feel their social skills are in comparison/contrast with AS? (mine are terrible. even though i understand metaphor, etc. in print--when in one-on-one contact with others, i take most things literally. i can't see the point of small talk. i have difficulty with "appropriate" facial expressions. i don't like eye contact. most of the rules of social etiquette either escape me or make little sense--like gossip, etc. etc., etc.,)

just wanted to put this out there. know it's long. but i'm still

--trying to figure it all out. :? :? :?



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23 Jun 2009, 10:10 pm

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of course the late-talking plus visual-spatial seemingly rules isn't common with as.
the late-talking could exclude it. not sure how late i talked. well i did call dada and mama and 1.5 yrs.
2 languages were spoken in the house as well.



The clinician might not have been aware of it but it's normal for simultaneous bilinguals to begin speaking later than monolinguals but when they begin speaking, they speak both languages. It would seem to me that late speech for a simultaneous bilingual shouldn't rule out anything.



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24 Jun 2009, 10:18 am

Cerddinen wrote:
vivinator wrote:
of course the late-talking plus visual-spatial seemingly rules isn't common with as.
the late-talking could exclude it. not sure how late i talked. well i did call dada and mama and 1.5 yrs.
2 languages were spoken in the house as well.



The clinician might not have been aware of it but it's normal for simultaneous bilinguals to begin speaking later than monolinguals but when they begin speaking, they speak both languages. It would seem to me that late speech for a simultaneous bilingual shouldn't rule out anything.


well I never really had a formal neuropsyh eval to dx nld. my only full neuropsych eval was in '91. but 2 neuropsychs think I have it, including the one I am seeing for counseling now


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24 Jun 2009, 10:24 am

exhausted wrote:
well--don't know if anyone else is posting at this thread anymore, but felt i had to jump in anyway.

in 40's and just coming into an awareness of both NLD and AS. the descriptions of NLD especially have given me a strong framework for putting a lot of little mysteries into perspective. once i have health care, will consult a neuropsychologist.

i've always wondered about my "wiring"--at least, as long as it was possible to wonder about such things. knew it was different. (have an almost photographic memory for words and can be highly analytical but can get lost in familiar buildings. didn't ride a bike until 12. math is an enduring mystery. that tricky "left-right thing" still catches me up.)

just wondering how people with NLD feel their social skills are in comparison/contrast with AS? (mine are terrible. even though i understand metaphor, etc. in print--when in one-on-one contact with others, i take most things literally. i can't see the point of small talk. i have difficulty with "appropriate" facial expressions. i don't like eye contact. most of the rules of social etiquette either escape me or make little sense--like gossip, etc. etc., etc.,)

just wanted to put this out there. know it's long. but i'm still

--trying to figure it all out. :? :? :?


this thread does limp on. don't see it stopping.
I think NLD social skills can very from very near NT to more serious , but overall worse than AS.


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24 Jun 2009, 10:30 am

vivinator wrote:
Cerddinen wrote:
vivinator wrote:
of course the late-talking plus visual-spatial seemingly rules isn't common with as.
the late-talking could exclude it. not sure how late i talked. well i did call dada and mama and 1.5 yrs.
2 languages were spoken in the house as well.



The clinician might not have been aware of it but it's normal for simultaneous bilinguals to begin speaking later than monolinguals but when they begin speaking, they speak both languages. It would seem to me that late speech for a simultaneous bilingual shouldn't rule out anything.


well I never really had a formal neuropsyh eval to dx nld. my only full neuropsych eval was in '91. but 2 neuropsychs think I have it, including the one I am seeing for counseling now


I did have, I guess a psych-education eval or educational-eval in '07. this included the WAIS and part of the woodcock johnson. nelso denny test for reading comp. etc.


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24 Jun 2009, 4:47 pm

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There's not really one good name that I've found for my learning style apart from autism (which can encompass many learning styles, including those who are very good and very bad at math, and many other varieties of learning), so probably I'd have to find different labels and squash them together. I don't feel like I need a label, but since I have a neuropsych evaluation coming up, I just wanted to see if there was any other thing, or if they would just describe the pattern of strengths and weaknesses as per the IQ test and motor skills test? I had an IQ test and motor skills test from a neuropsychologist about six months ago in high school but the state doesn't think that's good enough and wants to do it over.


I was diagnosed with NLD by a neuro-psychologist. My neuropsych report, aside from listing diagnoses, also says that I am what is called a full spectrum learner. This means that I must both see and hear information rather than just see it like a visual learner or hear it like an auditory learner. There are also kinisthetic learners who need to go through the motions of doing something in order to learn it.



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24 Jun 2009, 4:50 pm

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"Writing skills" is listed as a weakness? That's surprising to me...since verbal communication is supposed to be our strength. And writing is my best skill (perhaps not evident in my posts), which I've thought was in part thanks to NLD...
Also, do people with NLD have any sort of nickname like "Aspies"? "People with NLD" gets a little ponderous to say.


I was considered to be a good writer until I hit a particularly high level of expectation. I am good at saying what I want to say but my papers for school are poorly organized. My individual paragraphs are all fine but they often need to be rearranged in order to flow better and be cohesive.

Some people say NLD'er but I don't particularly like it myself.



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25 Jun 2009, 7:40 am

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I have NLD and I remember things so much easier when it comes to visual memory rather than hearing it. Here's a good example:

I can listen to a song 300 times and not even learn all the words (not kidding). Yet, I can read the lyrics to the song just three times and memorize it with no problems at all. I don't know if I'm an exception or not, but that is just me.


I think there is a difference in needing to look at text (reading) and needing to see a picture or diagram. I also need to read things in order to remember them or understand them better much of the time but a picture or diagram would not help me in this at all. I wonder if reading is actually different than visual memory?



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25 Jun 2009, 8:26 am

I started asking questions at around 9 months. "What's this?" and "What's that?" --which I asked constantly and of everything.

When I was about about 11 months old, my mother took me to visit my great aunt and uncle, who had a picture or something hanging on the wall. Something like this:

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Anyway my mother carried me over to it and brought it to my attention. I looked at it, pointed at the area delineated by the cord from which it hung, and said, "Triangle."

Apparently my parents didn't read many books about having babies before they brought me into the world, because they just assumed this mean that I was a little extra smart. Unfortunately, their first thoughts were typical, "Sweet! We're gonna have a doctor/lawyer/etc. in the family" type stuff. Whereas the proper reaction to that kind of behavior should be more along the lines of, "Holy crap, my kid's brain sure is weird!"

I think the socialization issue is worse in some ways for individuals with NLD than it is for those with "pure" Asperger's. NLD doesn't seem to involve as much of the flat affect, etc. that are kind of obvious, surface-level diagnostic elements of AS (of course not everyone with AS has a flat affect, I'm just dealing in generalities here). In other words, I think it's easier for someone with NLD to "get away" with mimicking NT behavior. This is a double-edged knife, though, because NLD (as far as I understand it) is generally harder to detect. Unless you REALLY know what you're looking for, NLD is hard to identify.

You could compare AS vs. NLD to stroke vs. hypertension. The effects of a stroke are more noticeable, so at least the individual who has one will get the help they need. But hypertension is just as bad, but unless someone with specialized knowledge ascertains your general condition, it's going to eat away at you silently, unnoticed.

Once again, this is all just pure speculation. I am not an expert.



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25 Jun 2009, 11:10 am

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Actually this is not necessarily true. It is not uncommon for LD-NOS (nld) to be in the diagnosis if both are present. A PDD diagnosis does not necassarily preclude NLD, in fact it could be comorribund diagnosis. It all depends on whether the diagnostician is apt to say NLD is an atypical version of AS (thus getting a PDD-NOS diagnosis) or a learning disorder. If they come from the learning disorder school of thought, its co-morribund, if they come from NLD being atypical AS, AS diagnosis trumps it. It is VERY inconsistant right now. Both AS and NLD though are caused by the same thing, atypical right hemesphere development.


LD-NOS and NLD are not the same thing. I was only speaking of Asperger's and NLD, not of other pervasive developmental disorders and NLD which may (not sure) be diagnosed as co-morbid disorders.



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25 Jun 2009, 11:16 am

Whatsherhame wrote:
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Is it possible to have aspergers and NLD at the same time? Because that's what I apparently have. 8O


When you say "apparently", do you mean that this is what you were diagnosed as having or this is what you think you have?



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Cerddinen wrote:
pineapple wrote:
"Writing skills" is listed as a weakness? That's surprising to me...since verbal communication is supposed to be our strength. And writing is my best skill (perhaps not evident in my posts), which I've thought was in part thanks to NLD...
Also, do people with NLD have any sort of nickname like "Aspies"? "People with NLD" gets a little ponderous to say.


I was considered to be a good writer until I hit a particularly high level of expectation. I am good at saying what I want to say but my papers for school are poorly organized. My individual paragraphs are all fine but they often need to be rearranged in order to flow better and be cohesive.

Some people say NLD'er but I don't particularly like it myself.



(BTW: apologies to anyone who may have read my last post here, which i deleted. realized i went on assumption partially. also, that the bringing up of an apparent controversy may have been an example of flaming.)

anyway--i relate to the changes in writing effectiveness over time. when i was in grade school, i got all kinds of recognition for my writing skills. during college, however--or for most of it anyway--my instructors found the majority of my research papers difficult to comprehend. (run-on sentences, disorganized presentation, etc. those were the main complaints in my case.)


i think it's possible to turn some of that around. these days, my sentences seem almost too short and clipped. i also organize thoughts obsessively, edit obsessively. maybe it's okay to swing to extremes to find a balance, though.

ps: i'd like to know if we have a nickname too. it could be fun :)


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