Would You Take the Cure?

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01 Jul 2009, 11:53 am

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Neurodiversity is neither a choice nor a lol term. :roll:

It's a philosophy that says that Autism and other "disorders" are not diseases, but rather valid interpretations of the world. It's not about coping with the reality that the world sucks for us. It's about reality. And hearing has nothing to do with neurodiversity. So I'm confused as to why you brought it up in the first place.

But I really shouldn't feed the trolls...

He may be trolling, but he makes a point. AS and deafness are both barriers to communication with the general public. Defending it as a valid interpretation of the world is about as useful as a rant about stupid Parisians speaking nothing but French. Your options are to stay at home, stick strictly to the tourist areas, or wait until the rest of the world speaks English. While English is a perfectly good language and a valid means of communication, it's not going to get me directions to the restroom or the train station if no one understands me.

I never said it wasn't a disability. I'm Autistic; I run into communication problems every effing day. But that is a symptom of Autism, a symptom of seeing the world differently. Yes it is a disability. But some of us don't want to be cured of it.

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It's the same mentality that creates cultural ghettos. People live in a country where the cultural norms are different and the majority speak a different language, and some of these people spend the rest of their lives without every really venturing past a few blocks. You may be celebrating people's differences, but it's not what I'd call diversity.

I don't understand how this is applicable at all. I'm not creating a ghetto for myself. I went to a mainstream highschool; I'm going to a prestigious college. I have a different brain, yet I still venture out every day among people who speak a different language. That *is* diversity.

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Almandite wrote:

There are thousands of us on Wrong Planet right now! I'm one of them.

Some of us don't see it as a choice, we see it as an obstacle.

I know. That's why I didn't include every individual on Wrong Planet in that statement.

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01 Jul 2009, 11:54 am

RealTalk wrote:

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There are thousands of us on Wrong Planet right now! I'm one of them.

Or, if we aren't disabled enough for you, google Deaf Pride.

*sigh* deaf pride again. Maybe we should also celebrate fat pride?

You are officially being ignored now. I gave you a valid example of exactly what you asked for, and you rejected it out of hand. I'm done.

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01 Jul 2009, 1:10 pm

u mad?

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01 Jul 2009, 1:17 pm

Janissy wrote:

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[I also loathe hierarchies and herd behaviour, and the emphasis that many people place on conforming... but that wasn't what I meant by socially normal. I wasn't really interacting with my mother when I was a baby; that wasn't normal. In my early childhood, I preferred social isolation because social interaction quite frightened me. That wasn't normal either. Neither were my tantrums, which could be triggered if someone as much as moved a small object on my table for a couple of centimeters. My mother had to (gently) prod me into more appropriate social behaviour; the rest, I slowly figured out by myself and continue to do so, but I can't look back on my childhood and say "I was at least adequate on a social level". There were things that had to be improved on before I could get to the functional level I'm on now. And I owe that mostly to a few non-autistics who stood by me.

It's completely not the point of this thread, but as a parent of an autistic child I do enjoy reading the "I used to (...)but that got better" type of posts. My daughter is now where you were then (at least what I can gather from these couple sentences). I do try to prod her gently to be a little more flexible and tolerate some social situations. I try to be as gentle as I can with the prodding while not just sitting by and doing nothing. And here you are. Able to say "back then....but not so much as time went on". I don't want to take away her essence. I just want her to suffer less. And it sure looks like suffering from here to be so unnerved by so many things. So hopefully I am gently prodding in a style that is similar to your mother's since that seems to have been the right thing to do.

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02 Jul 2009, 10:51 am

It depends. What will this 'cure' do? Lessen the activity of my brain? I wouldn't want that, so I wouldn't take it if it does that. Increase my liklihood of conforming? Nope, I wouldn't take it then. Or rather, I would if that's all it did. Why? To prove a point: everything comes down to a choice, and unless I choose to conform I won't. If it suddenly made me understand what people's body language was doing, I'd take it, but due to previous experience I wouldn't rely on it totally.

It all comes down to, 'what aspect are you changing?'

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02 Jul 2009, 12:29 pm

RealTalk wrote:

You're unbelievably dense

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*sigh* deaf pride again. Maybe we should also celebrate fat pride?

Unacceptable. You have some valuable contributions to make but will need to abide by the rules.

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02 Jul 2009, 4:43 pm

Would You Take The Cure?

Hell No!

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02 Jul 2009, 5:00 pm

Magneto wrote:

If it suddenly made me understand what people's body language was doing, I'd take it, but due to previous experience I wouldn't rely on it totally.

Wise words. You point out a great advantage of taking the cure: once you have been both autistic and NT you have seen the world from two very different points of view and that gives you a level of maturity not even old people can achieve.

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