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20 Jul 2009, 4:06 am

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It can't be defeated and it won't be stopped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Perhaps I can use it to vanquish my enemies. :?:



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20 Jul 2009, 4:17 am

People with autism live with autism--they don't die from it. I hate the fact that they treat it like AIDS or STDs, as if it were a virulent and deadly pathogenic microorganism. This is simply outrageous and impossible.

To add: The site says "Autism is treatable." Close to impossible.



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20 Jul 2009, 4:30 am

I think maybe someone should make a "DDAN"(Defeat Defeat Autism Now) website...Or a "Autistics Speak" organization.... to counter this stuff.



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20 Jul 2009, 4:40 am

wouldnt it make more sense to say "defeat neurotypicalism now" ?


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20 Jul 2009, 4:43 am

outlier wrote:
Perhaps I can use it to vanquish my enemies. :?:


Unfortunately, the juggernaut known as autism can't be controlled, even those touched by it.

(A weaponized ASD plague would be quite a popular and potent weapon, really; instead of fighting back, the opposition will sit down and take their personal weapon down and reassemble it over and over again. Personally, I think it'd drive a normal person insane to be severed socially how those with autism are after being normal in this regard.)



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20 Jul 2009, 5:32 am

how can you defeat autism? It's not one man marching around with a "I'm with Stupid" shirt. It's hundreds of millions of people all over the world. You'd have to do mass genocide. Heck lets's through the jews in, and the damed gypsies. Let's burn some witches too. Let the retribution of idiocy begin!



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20 Jul 2009, 5:42 am

They seem to be suggesting treatment of any-type, which i'm not really against. I can't be bothered to read through all the linked websites. I imagine there are some i would agree with and some i would disagree with. I have an issue with the name of the website however defeat autism now is anything but neutral.



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20 Jul 2009, 5:54 am

Yeh that was really offensive think the problem is that anyone that doesnt fit into a homegenised mass of consumer idocy is deemed someone that should be treated perhaps they should be listened to.I believe strongly that we must get together not online but in person to that aim iam am having a meeting tonight autistics for autistics so we can help each other out you know like human beings.Vive la revelusion



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20 Jul 2009, 7:34 am

dalekaspie wrote:
wouldnt it make more sense to say "defeat neurotypicalism now" ?


Stealing a mentality someone else on this forum used in another thread, wouldn't that mean that Neurotypicality is caused by metabolism problems too? Meaning if they did the opposite of their treatment, they could make an NT Aspie right?

As far as my opinion on the website, they are just hustlers. I do agree though that nutrition can play an important role, but that's in overall general health more so than treating autism. What's sad is I bet that Aspies (the ones who always get fooled by other people supposedly) are more apt to recognize that as a hustle than NTs, hence why they target parents of children with autism. We can all learn from this... "If you wanna make some easy money, target desperate people, like what many churches do." I can't morally bring myself to do that though or I'd have my gambling boat/hotel in international waters where things like illegal narcotics and prostitution can be legal (with an ongoing fairy boat).



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20 Jul 2009, 7:36 am

dalekaspie wrote:
wouldnt it make more sense to say "defeat neurotypicalism now" ?


No because that would just make you as bad as they are.


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20 Jul 2009, 8:19 am

dalekaspie wrote:
wouldnt it make more sense to say "defeat neurotypicalism now" ?


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I figured I should do a spoof site 'Defeat Aspergers Now' so many geeks would be offended 'Defeat Autims Now' would be cought in the crossfire.



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21 Jul 2009, 1:50 am

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Does anyone have an opinin about this website. I shall not say anything to influence your judgment,

Defeat Autism Now!
http://www.defeatautismnow.com/mission.html


If you want my honest opinion, listen to the speech Magneto gives to the mutants in that church in X-3: the Last Stand.

Basically, I've come to agree more and more with him over time...though I don't believe in deciding humanity's fate as he does.

I still believe in letting humanity decide how it wants to go, whether it be prosperity or destruction.

However, I will not be at hand as a savior should humanity choose destruction.

As Rorschach said it best in Watchmen: "The world will look up and shout "Save us!"... And I'll whisper "No."



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21 Jul 2009, 11:25 am

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They are missing something............the swastikas along with the double lightning bolts


Pretty sh***y that they have their concentration camps set up already (Judge Rotenberg Center)

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To the people who created this website, autism is just another disorder that causes extreme hardship for the families that have to deal with it, much like schizophrenia, mental retardation or Down's Syndrome.


Project Icarus says that those "disorders" are more of "dangerous gifts" and not completely eeeevil :P

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As I'm merely here (on Wrongplanet) for research purposes, I'm going to hold off on getting into a debate on the ethics of science/medicine. The viewpoint that I have stated above is not my own, but is that of organizations like Destroy Autism Now and Autism Speaks.


Lol research.

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wouldnt it make more sense to say "defeat neurotypicalism now" ?


"Defeat Normalfaggotry Now" is a better term. :wink:

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Perhaps I can use it to vanquish my enemies. :?:


This Shining Finger Commands me to DEFEAT YOU :twisted:

Also *does mecha moves/duels out of Code Geass*

and these:
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21 Jul 2009, 11:29 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
If you want my honest opinion, listen to the speech Magneto gives to the mutants in that church in X-3: the Last Stand.

Basically, I've come to agree more and more with him over time...though I don't believe in deciding humanity's fate as he does.

I still believe in letting humanity decide how it wants to go, whether it be prosperity or destruction.

However, I will not be at hand as a savior should humanity choose destruction.

As Rorschach said it best in Watchmen: "The world will look up and shout "Save us!"... And I'll whisper "No."


Given that eradicating autism would mean that humanity would no longer progress as a species and stagnate and go extinct, I would say that anybody who would want to defeat autism deserves what he ends up with. Once the world realizes that it needs autistics to save it from the mess it has created, we will no longer exist, and then the panic will start. I think that an Aspergia will be necessary to save us from the genocidal wishes of the NTs much in the same way that the modern State of Israel was founded so that the Holocaust would not happen again. Then after the NTs have realized that they need us, we can parcel out our help to them in increments.



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21 Jul 2009, 2:53 pm

They need our genetics. Not necessarily us, just our DNA. In small amounts, autistic DNA is beneficial to the human race; when too much of it ends up in one person, you end up with autism... well, that's the theory anyway. Genetic load. Actually one of the most popular ones right now.

And yeah. However disabling autism is, it can't be disabling enough to justify some of the methods they are using. It can never be disabling enough to justify forced "normalization". I'm all for educating autistic people--therapy, especially speech/language therapy to make communication easier--and education tailored to the different cognitive style. What I don't like is when that education completely walks all over individuality and assumes that you have to learn the same way, do things the same way, behave the same way as NTs. When you start trying to change things just because they are associated with autism, that's when your positive education goes bad and starts turning into brainwashing and dog-training. Decent health care for autistic people--not all of this biomedical crap, but basic good nutrition and treatment for physical problems--could go a long way too. Even medication can help--but only if it actually increases your ability to cope with the world, not if it just increases other people's ability to "deal with" you. If you can learn running around the room just fine, and they're the one who get annoyed that you can't stay in your seat, then they're the one who need to be drugged, not you.

That's the thing with therapy: The point needs to be to teach you what you need to know and can learn, not to turn you into some kind of neurotic faux NT or easily-dealt-with blob of drooling compliance.


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21 Jul 2009, 3:38 pm

Their approach seems to be anti-vaccination (for prevention) and a weirdly limited diet along with tons of supplements (for cure). None of this seems like it would have any effect whatsoever on actual rates of autism nor would it remove autistic traits from children born with them. However all this anti-vax hoopla is bringing back lots of diseases (there have been measles outbreaks since this anti-vax stuff started) and possibly malnutrition from that very limited diet.

It looks like the main danger it presents is not that autistic traits will be removed from the gene pool or that anybody will morph into NT after this. From reading their website it looks like the main danger is that it drives a pretty firm wedge between NT parents and their autistic children by discouraging the parents from ever trying to understand their children because in this view there is nothing to understand. It seems to go back to Bruno Bettleheim's "Empty Fortress" view but this time blaming toxins instead of moms. It turns the children's childhoods into a non-stop slog through therapies, robbing them of a calmer childhood and probably also robbing them of nutients from that DAN Diet.