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21 Jul 2009, 1:37 pm

Michjo wrote:
We are stating that NT's all turn nasty. Yet noone has said anything about ASPIES turning nasty.


Look again. There have been several posts in this thread pointing that out.

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There are just as many nasty aspies, as there are nasty NT's.


Actually, I would strongly disagree with that. We're certainly as capable as anyone of being ill-tempered and argumentative - but I don't see the innate tendencies to manipulate and bully in most of those here with AS, as I see every day in so-called 'NTs' - and that's what I consider to be true nastiness.


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The whole "Us vs. Them" mentality on this forum is mind-boggling.


Thank you, Jesus, for your clarity of insight. Perhaps you will float down and address us again after another hatefully prejudiced NT has fired you from your 30th job.

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21 Jul 2009, 1:37 pm

NT's and Aspies can both be mean sometimes. I view that it is easier usually to find out why Aspie/on spectrum people are mean though, if someone on the spectrum is asked 'why were you mean?' the directness on it is ok and will be explained, also, they will probably say that it wasn't meant that way. Asking an NT directly the same question might result in 'who me? I wasn't mean' in offended tones as an answer and the direct question would be considered rude.

Some people are mean, some are not. I agree with a previous poster, a person on the spectrum is most lightly to have less good experiences of good people. Those on the spectrum tend to have been bullied to some degree, usually badly, over the course of their lives and thus have little to no insulating memories to mentally place the mean person in the dweeb catagory.

I personally think that it may be easier to lump these bullies into the lable of NT because they seemed to be NT's at time. For example, when I was in primary school, one bully organised most of the class against me, I think they were mostly NT's but I don't know for sure, I don't really care but it really hurt mentally and physically at the time.



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21 Jul 2009, 1:42 pm

There are nice NTs out there but those seem to be the ones who are learning about Autism and already know what to expect.

As for the nasty behavior, it's all human nature.



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21 Jul 2009, 2:05 pm

I have had people turn nasty on me...I was kicked out by my two roommates years ago...because they thought I was weird...I was kicked out by another roommate for the same reason....

I have turned nasty on people....roommates and others....I am not very fond of having my space invaded..and some people wouldn't stop and it caused me to become very unpleasant towards them.

I have even been nasty towards other people on the spectrum....The ASish woman who worked for us who would not stop touching me and rearranging my things after I told her repeatedly to stop....She repeatedly drove me to the brink of meltdown, and then we would have peaceable talks about our misunderstandings, and she would go and do it AGAIN.... 8O AAAAAARRGH

There was this young girl who hung around our house for a while...When I first met her, my heart went out to her, because she reminded me of myself at her age......sometimes she would just stand in the middle of the room for long periods of time with her eyes closed....She was very hard to talk to...She would mainly only communicate with our roommate who is Bi-Polar Schizotypal..
She managed to get kicked out of the woman's house where she was staying because she wasn't making good enough efforts to find a job, and also, she was sleeping on our couch almost every night...so she ended up at our place for a while...without asking us if she could stay...and I was not very mentally well at the time...and for various reasons, having her around really stressed me out....having a "new" person in the house, who I could not really communicate with...To make a long story short, she wasn't allowed to stay with us for very long...and it was not till later that I even realised that she was most likely on the spectrum...and I regret not having more patience with her.

Part of the reason I was nasty in those days was that I was having troubles with my partner, and i was extremely insecure....sometimes the motivation behind nastiness...is not just pure plain nastiness...it is a symptom of human weakness/fear



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21 Jul 2009, 2:27 pm

Having been constantly told by NTs that I was "nasty" to them first and looking back on my own "nastyness", I've come up with a conclusion. WE'RE ALL EFFIN NASTY! :lol: Everyone...regardless of whether or not they're NT or Aspie is so full of themselves to the point that they DEMAND everyone to be nice to them or else the "law of god" allows for them to be nasty to anyone back. Thus the vicious circle comes into play and spins on and on.

Oh yes they can say that I'm nasty all I want. It's amazing how many NTs I've seen act so aspie and get nasty with me over the minor things. In the end, I've just stopped caring. Besides, I'm not gonna change...therefore (technically) people will continue to be nasty to me as a result but I've learned to cope since there's really no difference between us.

Just dont call yourself the good guy here. We really are all just selfish a*holes after all.



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21 Jul 2009, 5:04 pm

thegreatpretender wrote:
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It remains that NTs and AS people seem to react quite differently to moral criticism: I for one am certainly not perfect and when someone highlights a moral flaw in me, either I realise this is something I want to fix, or I am happy to live with it. NTs on the other hand seem to live an image of moral perfection and get really upset when something/someone points out the flaws in this image.





I agree with that. If someone points out a flaw, then I will correct it. If I point out a flaw in someone else, they become hurt (if I am good friends with them) or aggressive otherwise.

I have known others to turn nasty on particular occasion. I've little idea why, though.



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21 Jul 2009, 6:07 pm

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Nasty people can turn nasty on anyone, NT or AS. I've had people tear into me and of course it's a very unpleasant experience.

here's where I think a major difference is between As and NT regarding this: when a nasty person tears into an NT, that NT person has a stored memory library of probably millions of positive social experiences. The ugly experience is far easier to see as an isolated incident with an ass%$#$% and easier to shrug off because it's outnumbered by so many positve social experiences.

When a nasty person tears into an aspie, the odds are that the aspie has a smaller (maybe much smaller) library of positive social experiences to compare the ass$%^%$# to and so the ass^%$#% becomes proportionally more important and stands out as representative of humanity in general.

Why do the nasty people do it? It's not that they are insecure (odds are they aren't insecure at all- the insecure bully is a myth created to soothe bullied children). There is also no reason to think they are closet homosexuals. That just sounds like "wouldn't it be ironic?" thinking. It would be ironic. But there's no reason that something is likely to be true just because it's ironic.(I actually threw this in because I just read the "macho vs. non-macho thread and this dovetails with it.)

So why does it happen? Because we're primates. If you spend long enough observing a pack of other primate species you will see them do it too.

I think a distinction has to be made between reactive nastiness and calculated nastiness. I have a bit of the former type of nastiness myself and I can understand and forgive others who display it. When someone tears into me because they're stressed or upset I can generally make myself see "through" it and not get too upset.

It's the type of nastiness that's not done out of anger that's infinitely more distressing to me. As a rule I don't witness that kind of behavior as often with aspies as I do with NT's, the calculated nastiness (this isn't me bashing NT's, I'm merely making an honest observation). On a very primitive emotional level I do not understand it and thus cannot forgive it. I no longer see such a person as an equal to me. I might retaliate in an extreme manner and wish them nothing but harm. I don't see that my hatred for such people makes me "just as bad as they are". Being told something to that affect only amplifies my anger and may turn it on the person who said it as they appear to be siding with the bully against me.



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21 Jul 2009, 6:56 pm

I can be nasty by judjing someone wihout knowing there story however i have learned to supress that instint.The nt world is dog eat dog i think this is unconsious because most people think they are nice the anger comes from someone unable to accept BS like holding a mirror up.



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21 Jul 2009, 7:12 pm

marshall wrote:
I think a distinction has to be made between reactive nastiness and calculated nastiness. I have a bit of the former type of nastiness myself and I can understand and forgive others who display it. When someone tears into me because they're stressed or upset I can generally make myself see "through" it and not get too upset.

It's the type of nastiness that's not done out of anger that's infinitely more distressing to me. As a rule I don't witness that kind of behavior as often with aspies as I do with NT's, the calculated nastiness (this isn't me bashing NT's, I'm merely making an honest observation). On a very primitive emotional level I do not understand it and thus cannot forgive it. I no longer see such a person as an equal to me. I might retaliate in an extreme manner and wish them nothing but harm. I don't see that my hatred for such people makes me "just as bad as they are". Being told something to that affect only amplifies my anger and may turn it on the person who said it as they appear to be siding with the bully against me.


I agree. If someone lashes out because they're angry and over emotional, sure, I'll rage and curse and leave the room, but after I've gone back to normal, I'll understand that they're only human and didn't really mean to be so hurtful. But if it's done coldly, and they really do mean it...That's when it's not okay. That's when it comes from something more sinister than just them having a bad day.


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21 Jul 2009, 8:02 pm

Michjo wrote:
We are stating that NT's all turn nasty. Yet noone has said anything about ASPIES turning nasty. There are just as many nasty aspies, as there are nasty NT's. The whole "Us vs. Them" mentality on this forum is mind-boggling.


i'm sure there's other forums around if it bothers you.



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21 Jul 2009, 8:08 pm

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Michjo wrote:
We are stating that NT's all turn nasty. Yet noone has said anything about ASPIES turning nasty. There are just as many nasty aspies, as there are nasty NT's. The whole "Us vs. Them" mentality on this forum is mind-boggling.


i'm sure there's other forums around if it bothers you.

I'm sure you are either completely missing my point, or just trying to insult me. Either way it makes your reply completely irrelevent.



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21 Jul 2009, 10:07 pm

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I'm sure you are either completely missing my point, or just trying to insult me. Either way it makes your reply completely irrelevent.


She's saying if the annoyance of the "us vs them" mentality is strong, you should go to a more 'moderate' forum as this is a support forum for neurodiverse to vent their frustations @ neurotypical BS. Am I correct :? :?

Oh, Aspiesforfreedom is apparently much worse in 'us v them' mentality


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21 Jul 2009, 10:40 pm

totally correct Warsie, that is the nature of this forum, all fora have biases, there are others that are probably 'nicer' about NTs around, they're smaller though. AFF I'm not sure about I thought they regarded themselves as the 'good' site but I only looked in there a coupla times. It's pretty PC over there I think.



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21 Jul 2009, 11:55 pm

Simple form... people turn nasty, generally when their expectations are not being met. It doesn't matter whether they are on the spectrum or not - the world is not static.

This is a support forum for those on the spectrum, not a platform for attacks on any group. A reminder to those who feel there is license to attack those who are different than themselves en masse.


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22 Jul 2009, 12:17 am

We've already played that game Mak.



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22 Jul 2009, 2:05 am

WOW just wow your title is kinda anti NT

here's a fact everyone turns nasty EVERYONE its general psychology

here's my contribution ala the op who said why do people on this forum the guy with the sun jpeg lol I laugh at most of your stuff because you seem about as cynical as me
Well here's mine
why do some people on these forums mak aspies seem hate mungering and emotionally inept

the us vs mentality is actually very annoying its like being in a nazi board seriously please guys lay it to rest, the forum was created ti hwko and support aspies not turn things sours

finally to the guys at refuted aspies not being nasty
Trust me dude I went to a specialist college and there are many aspies who are a holes and pretty pretty dull lol

At ty who said star wars teached about people turing nasty
NO you kinda missed the moral of the story the moral of star wars is that even the greatest can be tempted by darkness and power, you weere kinda close but calling butchering young children just nasty is an understatement as children are a paragon of goodness its EVIL