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01 Aug 2009, 4:01 am

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An Asperger's diagnosis precludes you from joining the military in the US.


No it shouldn't. Many Aspies on this forum are prior service including me.



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01 Aug 2009, 4:14 am

"Shouldn't" and "reality" aren't synonymous.

It's an automatic disqualification from the medical if you've been diagnosed.



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01 Aug 2009, 4:25 am

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"Shouldn't" and "reality" aren't synonymous.

It's an automatic disqualification from the medical if you've been diagnosed.


I don't think that's the way it is. Now I wouldn't volunteer the information to a recruiter, and even if you did, a good recruiter would tell you if it is an issue and how to work around that (whether it be a waiver or to just not mention it). Kinda like how recruiters will tell you to never say you smoked marijuanna even if you have in the past. It's not obvious like a wheel chair, so if it really is an issue, it shouldn't be (not by right, but by the way you handle it).



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01 Aug 2009, 4:36 am

AS and AD would come under this (from the MEPS); you wouldn't have AS or AD if you didn't meet this:

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c. Symptoms or behavior of a repeated nature that impaired social, school, or work efficiency.


Not mentioning something is a lie, and that's lacking in integrity, even if you can "handle" it. There's several cases where recruiters told people with AS or AD to lie about their condition, and they were later discharged once it was found out (that was the only reason why they were discharged; of course, the condition became apparent due to its very nature).



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01 Aug 2009, 5:32 am

Well, when I went in, nobody asked me about that specifically (not even the social, work, efficiency question). I knew I had Aspergers though I wasn't diagnosed. I've even had discussions about my Aspergers with Life Skills (military shrinks), something I volunteered to do to help me cope with some issues I had with social skills in the military not that I was voluntold to go or anything, and even then, it wasn't an issue.

Most Aspies aren't obvious impairments socially, or with work or school. IN fact, many do well in those arenas and just behave differently (like myself). Everybody has flaws. And, you don't have to have Aspergers to have a hard time maintaining that 2.0 GPA in high school, and those people wouldn't be disqualified (and that I would define as a habitual academic impairment). In fact, they have a job for those with academic impairments...military cops. LOL. If someone behaving like the Rainman makes it into the military, I understand what you are talking about, but most people with Aspergers don't behave that obvious and it shouldn't therefore be an issue. Yes, to be diagnosed, you meet that definition. I'm not sure where you got your quote, or the context of the quote, but I don't think the military truly gives a damn unless your autism would interfere with fulfilling the mission. Even with the social impairment, I still managed to make Honor Flight in basic (and I was the only reason we got to keep it...long story), High Flyer Award in Tech School, and won over my entire chain of command minus the narcissistic individuals (who nobody liked anyway). I may have had a social impairment going in the military, but the military taught me to overcome it and excel in it. In all honesty, the narcissistic individuals seemed to impair the military's ability to fulfill a mission more so than someone with Aspergers.

And to not volunteer an Aspergers diagnosis is not lying. You can still have Aspergers and feel like you have no impairments socially, academically, or professionally, or to a degree that is actually considered an impairment.

I'm not sure who was discharged, but whether the Aspie or the recruiter, I think there's more to the story than you know.

Also, keep in mind that it doesn't mean Aspies should or would get special treatment for being Aspie. If you have sensitive skin, you can get a shaving waiver, but if you're Aspie, there is no stimming waiver.



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01 Aug 2009, 12:20 pm

[quote="Batz"]I'm a teenager going to college next month for the first time and the only aspie in my family, so I can probably only give you limited advice, mostly based off my experience, but oh well, advice is advice, right?

Counseling, as others said, can help with the situation since it's building his confidence and helping him to learn social skills, but then again, if he wants to do it his way, I would let him do it for the best of it.

Community College can work too since it's, well, at the community, of course.

Then again, if you want him to go to a university, you can check the colleges online to see if they have an Autism program. College, as everyone knows, is a rough transition in life, but with aspies it becomes rougher. An Autism progaram should help with the problems of Asperger Syndrome, such as social skills, sensory overload, and many things like that. Since a group of aspies go to a college and since they meet every day for--well--let's say a meeting or something like that, he doesn't have to feel alone in a world full of sociable people. Caution: only some colleges have this program. If your state (or country if you live outside the United States) doesn't have a college with an Autism program, it'll be trouble for him if you let him venture off. Of course, I'm going to one in Kentucky, so I can't speak for every state or country.

As for the immaturity--hmm... I would let him be himself. I mean, I'm 18 and still feel like I'm an eight year old. No problems so far.

Well, that's all the advice I can give you s of now.[/quote


Thank you for your advice
My son isn't objecting to community college, he just doesn't "feel like" going. He understands the importance of doing something after high school, & something you like. Our community college is 10 minutes down the road, so he's real close. And I told him, he doesn't have to get a "degree" in anything, there's certificate programs which he can go ,maybe for under a year, & gain a bit more knowledge in what he likes to do which is technology related stuff or working with animals.



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01 Aug 2009, 12:27 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
I'd like to add:

In the end, it's important that your son is able to look after himself if something happens to you and you're not there to support him, and if he is incapable of it [due to the severity of his disorder], things need to be put in place for him.

Him doing "normal" things is quite far down on the list of what's important or not, and my psychiatrist is of this opinion too.


Thank you Daniel. We did have that talk with Mike, & told him as he gets older he really won't need someone to "take care" of him, we want to start trying to foster independance in him, but, we did tell him that his Aunt, (my sister) of course would take him in. They have a very special bond since he was a baby. He then would ask, "what happens if Aunt Cass dies?" I told him his cousins , probably his youngest cousin, because his wife & Mike have a special bond as do their little kids & Mike. I had to tell Mike that his cousins are young, so don't be perseverating on what's going to happen if they die.
He understood that, & no more talks about death of the family.
I will continue to allow him to mature at his own pace. I can see the leaps & bounds he's matured since Middle School.



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01 Aug 2009, 12:43 pm

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Hey, I am a 19 year old college student with Aspergers. I see your son is having some of the same concerns I had at his age and now, as our ages are not to far apart. I was homeschooled for almost all of my academic career and had too had few friends, and almost no one to hang out with and my level of social development was and still is behind. My mom was concerned and really didn't think I could handle college, even though this is a small school I am still 3 hours from home even with my fast driving. My first semester was rough and my first two roommates I did not get along with, and I've had some major depression problems in school. The good news though is, I have made some truly amazing friends, all be it they have their own issues, but don't we all? They have really helped me with my social skills, everything from encouraging me to talk to people, to how I dress, to how I walk, everything which I really needed. I am a B student pretty much, but I am hoping to bring my 3.1 up to a 3.5 next semester so I can get into the honors program. So really if your son doesn't want to go to school, tell him to go to community college and let him live at home, but if he wants friends and if he wants new experiences encourage him.


Thanks so much for sharing your experience. It looks like community college for him . It's down the road, & has a Vet Tech program(his interest in animals) & a video game design & graphics design? I think thta's what it's called? Anyway, one is a certificate program, & his high school has a job placement program, & works hand in hand with the community college for all the kids, not just special ed kids, like my son. He's also an honors student, but here's what frightens me . His grades... A's & B's I feel are not given because of his academics, but rather on a mix of things, like most high schools do.... class participation, homework completion, quizzes.. The teachers love him & say he's a great student, & I think this is where his grades are coming from because I just got his HSPA results back.... not good. Not proficient in math, & just made proficiency in Language Arts. Luckily.... being special ed, he's exempt from passing, so now I wonder.. does he have to take a placement test to get into community college? & how's that going to work out with him getting accepted to Community.
Oh well... we've still got one more year of high school



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01 Aug 2009, 12:44 pm

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My 17 year old NT brother doesnt seem too motivated about after graduation, nor does he have plans yet for what he wants to do.He works as a stock clerk at a grocery store in Vegreville, but other than that, he has no idea what he wants, nor does he do much.He spends his pay cheques on things like game cards for his computer games and junkfood.Although he has his learner's permit, he doesnt have his full driving permit yet either.


Thanx for your post Tory... Your brother sounds alot like my son.... :)



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01 Aug 2009, 12:48 pm

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NJMary wrote:
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First things first, welcome to the forums! I hope you'll find them very helpful.

From what you said, I don't think college would be the right choice at all, for him or for you. It is very clear that you want nothing but the best for him, but right now putting him in college would just be uprooting him and placing him in a completely unfamiliar situation. He would be completely lost, and you would be more stressed worrying about him than you have ever been. I think a year at home (or possibly a year of community college) would be the best plan.

His interests, luckily, translate VERY well to potential careers. I think it would make him much less nervous about the future if he realizes it means he can learn even more about what he's interested in.

As for the fear of you dying, this may seem a little morbid to sit down and talk about, but it would help his anxiety greatly to have a plan in place.

I think scheduling counseling would help greatly (not just for him, it would also make your anxiety much easier to deal with). I hope I have helped a little.




Community college is where I would encourage him to go. If he doesn't, I'll have to fight with him about getting a job at the market or Mc Donalds or something, because he is afraid to work. Says he doesn't think he'll be good at it.
The community college is 5 min. down the road & maybe a certificate program?
thats what i thought ...its why i took mailman job not too much sosial stuff and once i get nigth shifts they pay me big time and i dont have to talk anyone



Thank you for your post.
working for the post office... now that's a thought, as you said, not much social interaction, but some. My brother, who I think is an undiagnosed Aspie, oe PDD NOS, has been working for the Post Office now for 30 yrs. Great benefits too! Definitely Community College for Mike if he goes. It's 10 min down the road from the house, & he could drive back & forth.



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01 Aug 2009, 12:58 pm

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One thing to consider, if his grades are good and he scores high enough, do the ACT now, and if he scores high enough, check into taking one online college course from a regionally accredited college (like UMUC online), and have him take "Study Hall" or something like that in high school so he's not getting one extra class, and maybe the high school would let him do Study Hall in the computer lab for him to work on his college class. It would kinda ease him into college, and maybe an online college might be more in his comfort zone.

Also, explain to him that he's going to have to work at some point, and a college education gives him more opportunities to not only choose the type of career he wants to do, but also the type of workplace he wants to work in. Without that degree, the opportunities will be more social in nature as McDonalds will require him to deal with co-workers and customers.

But, if you force college when he's not interested, you might be setting him up for failure. My father was sick with cancer that we knew was going to kill him, and we found out my first semester into college. I didn't want to go to school again til after he passed away so I could spend as much time with him as possible. He and my mom forced me into school claiming it was so that I could stay on their health insurance, and I failed 2-3 classes for every one that I passed. Considering I was using student loans, I have a debt larger than a degree right now with no degree. Of course, i was working too. I've had a job more often than not since I was 17 until I had my first kid. But now a days, with all my experience in professional fields and no degree, I'm still not qualified for much beyond McDonalds and receptionist.

One way you might consider to get him a little more stoked about college (for the right reasons...fortunately he doesn't seem interested in frat parties) is to go find the book What Color is Your Parachute. The first half of the book is on job search and home business, but the latter half is a bunch of exercises for one to create a flower of their ideal work place. It teaches how to priortize very well (nice little worksheet on that), and it helps one define his goals such as what to do with work, why do you want to work beyond the pay check (like to help the world type thing), what kind of work environment do you prefer, geographical location, etc. It also asks what training is necessary for this job. Maybe he'll decide something that doesn't require a college degree as much as an apprenticeship, but that's something he will have to decide.

I'd also look into providing him with information on careers with his special interests (like creating video games). What kind of jobs can he do with his "hobbies," what they pay, what type of conditions the work place requires, and what training is required to get there. Maybe he'd be more interested in goals like specific job as opposed to "finish school."

I would also supplement with some counseling. It sounds to me that he isn't afraid of leaving the nest as much as failing after leaving the nest. Once he figures that out, it would be easier for you to teach him the tools he needs to ascertain success. I also like the advice of coming up with a plan if something were to happen to you. My mother constantly reminds me of her life insurance policies and so forth for times like that. Right before my father passed away, he and my mother bought a grave site together for the both of them, and the tombstone. It was probably the wisest thing they could do since I have a sister who loves to argue with me.

Also, make sure you show him tools beyond college and ambition and job search. He really needs to learn financial management. With that skill, he could live off a McDonalds pay check if he had to. First do that talk about how you can either save for your future or steal from it...there's no in between. Every video game he buys today is taking away a video game in the future, and he can try to save for the future by finding other cost effective ways to get his video games (such as buying them used or making friends that know how to share). Of course, teach him the difference between checking, savings, money market, IRA, etc. Maybe even start him off with a Roth IRA in the next year or so (as he'll be more apt to add money to something that already exists rather than creating a new account). Also, he needs to learn the wonderful world of banking and how their version of customer service works, how the debit card works, how overdraft protection vs bouncing checks work, and the legalities regarding writing bad checks. Either way, now is the perfect time for him to start saving because he doesn't have a debt yet. Speaking of which, credit cards is an issue you need to face before he's 18 (they all swarm after that age group like no tomorrow). Also, he needs to learn how to access his free credit report because he will probably get a credit card without telling you, and then he'll understand what you are saying about debt but not fully feel the gravity of it, and seeing his credit report and score being affected will help him understand the gravity of it.

With financial management comes personal management. It's one thing to know how to cook a meal and go to the grocery store, but it's another to learn how to cook meals every day, clean up after those meals, and do the grocery shopping on a budget finding the best deals on meat and so forth. You should know all that mom related stuff is a tough gig, and many boys just miss out on learning that stuff due to the gender roles. What's worse than being single all your life? Marrying a girl like me who is very "domestically challenged." My mother in law is supermom when it comes to the domestic stuff, and my husband has no idea how she does it or what is involved. Both expect me to be much better at it than I am. My mom always pushed college and career like if I have that, then I could just pay someone to do all this daily maintenance of the house, or maybe she assumed it would come natural to me. I don't know, but I'm lousy at it. It doesn't matter if I were single so much, but now I'm married with kids. I wish so much right now that my mother 10 years ago taught me how to do this household management stuff and forced me to let go of my special interest long enough to do it because I want the best for my children now and I don't know how to provide that.

My theory though is, if you are great at financial management and personal management, then what you do for a living isn't of importance because you would then be in a position to make almost anything work for you. It's not about making more money, but learning how to manage what little you already have. Until you learn how to manage pennies and nickels, you won't be ready to deal with ones and fives. That's why you see so many big wigs fall, and fall hard. In my case, I never learned how to deal with my minimum wage pay check, so when I started getting a nice salary with benefits, I was still always broke. Gee I wonder why? This isn't Aspie vs NT...all kids need this (and some grown ups too ;) )

Also, has your son considered the military? It has done wonders on my Aspergers, but no two Aspies are alike. But if he does have an interest, I highly suggest going Air Force or Marine Corps. If you want training for a career...Air Force. If you want to shoot a gun at bad guys...Marine Corps. Army will put you in combat, but Marines are better trained for it. Also one big difference between the two...Air Force is every man for himself in comparison to the Marine Corps (who is big about teamwork). Don't get me wrong, Air Force does function as a team, but just not to the degree the Marines do. I guess the difference is, if a Marine gets into a bar fight, every marine in the bar will have his back. If an Airman gets into a bar fight, the other airman will generally call the First Shirt to tattle on the airman fighting, who would then face an Article 15 for an alcohol related incident. Either way, military gets training in a career, housing, food, pay check, free access to attorney, tuition paid for college, life insurance, health insurance (100% at that with no copay, and they'll prescribe OTC so you don't have to pay for it either), free gym access, free access to psychologists and nutritionalists, free briefings on money management and family support type topics, and tax free shopping (great deals on liquor), and free unlimited CLEP Tests. For anyone to succeed, the most important thing is to pass that PT test with flying colors and avoid getting in trouble (especially for alcohol related trouble). The military is just a great place for young people who aren't sure what they want to do with their life and want to leave the nest. They really do teach you all the skills you need to transform from child to grown up. But if you don't want it, you won't make it far into basic training. Be careful giving out your number to some recruiters (especially army)... they will follow up, and follow up, and some as bad as a bill collector.



Thank you for your wonderful post.
Community College here does have at least 4 courses, some not degree but certificate programs relating to his interests. Video GAme Design does happen to be one of the courses. It's an AA? or AS course, but that's a start, right?
His grades are great, as I wrote in my last post, but they were not given according to his academic abilities, as seen by his poor HSPA scores I just got in the mail today. Luckily he's exempt from passing the HSPA's due to being a Special Ed student.