The World Must Change

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Hey there all you aspies/auties and other guys.

My name is Sam Ackary. And I realised that Capitalism must be controlled if humanity is to flourish. Now before anyone says this is not related to autism, it most certainly is. Autism needs less degradation and less treatment as though we are animals. So does the rest of humanity. I've set up a group on facebook - http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group ... 4564682215.

Its called The World Must Change. It is based on the principle that humanity must alter its moral perceptions, it must re-write its own moral code. It must see the world as all Homo Sapiens, no longer treating races differently or religions intolerantly. I am an Atheist, but I see no reason why I and any other religious individual could not co-exist. If you believe that humanity should attempt to abolish war and violence. Destroy poverty and ignorance, then join this group. Take a side while the world lies in its ruined state. Fight for a revolution. Change the World.

Aww you are 16? And very naive?

What happens when one boy has something that another boy really wants? And there's only one such item? And the owner won't give it up? And the second boy really really wants it?

Now. What happens when one group of people have something that another group of people wants?

What happens when one entire country has something that another country wants? And both think they are entitled to it?

And that's just an example of a conflict over the material matters. What happens when one group with one ideology or religion attempts to impose their ideology on another group? They do this because they believe they are right and they are merely helping the other group to change their backwards ways. What happens if the second group does not want to change?

This is why we have lawyers and politicians and generals.... to resolve our differences. I don't see us living in utopia any time soon. It would require that all people everywhere share the same needs and wants and beliefs (or lack of) and thoughts.

You're right. The world must change... but sadly, it's not going to. Because the world is full of human beings, and human beings are corrupt, and ruin everything, even great political theories. I know, I've done the whole political/protest "let's make the world a better place" thing.

It doesn't work. People get in the way.

In fact, the fact that humans are so hopelessly corrupt and corrupting is probably one of the main reasons I became a Christian. That's right, the doctrine of original sin is the only thing that makes sense of the world. After a couple of decades of naively hoping we could save the world, I realised that no, we can't save the world. In fact, if left to us, the world is utterly doomed.

The only way the world is going to be saved is if God saves it. Seriously, it's that bad... we're that bad.

You don't have to agree with me, of course ... but as you can see, it's quite a turn around for this ex politico to have made. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then we're all going to die in a man made disaster anyway. But there's no way that we're going to save the world. Sorry. I mean... have you seen what we're like?

Ah. What happens when a 35 year old man decided to act like a pompous ass and decide to talk down to a younger person? Well I call it stupidity, call it what you will.

You see the thing here is, you have this massive amount of pessimism. Why? I find NTs more agreeable than aspies in this matter. I realise why too. Aspies are the worst in this form of change. NTs change willingly, but aspies are stubborn, and the thing is, all those things you mentioned merely sound warlike, barbaric. I know a great many people who are not warlike, not barbaric. Sure you can't change the world over night, but think about it.

You act like age provides all answers. If that were so then i'd be deeply worried about what mindset you grew up in. Sadly I have freedom of speech, freedom of ideas. Your ideas are backwards, I mean come on, Generals? You actually think war is a good idea. What are you, American? I mean come on, war is the lowest of the low, I treat generals and armies like pathetic ants. I mean come on, sending young people to fight old men's battle? Pathetic.

Look her, I was trying to get the people who actually try to break the mold. Break the system. You know, the independent thinkers. Not the guys who say 'Oh well it'll never work because its too much effort. Shut up and stop trying'. I mean jesus christ, can't you actually be optimistic about humanity for once? It has good people, lots of good people. A horde of good people. And if good people work together. Why can't they produce something fantastic? Answer me this. Oh so wise and intelligent 35 year old /sarcasm.

I personally have nothing against your age, sure you're younger than me, but I was exactly your age when I held almost exactly the same hopeful mindset.

The world 'should' change ...if we wanted to find a way for everyone to be happy - unfortunately, I'd say at least 75% of the world doesn't care, as long as they've got theirs. There will always be wars of possession. Someone will always want what another has, this is evident in small children, who have yet to learn our plastic social structure. If you watch 2 two year olds fight over a toy, you'll see what I mean. They'll kick, punch, fight and pull hair ....spit, cry & lunge. This to me is evidence that humanity is based on survival of the fittest in the exact same way it is for most species. We then begin training them that such & such is 'not nice' ...'gimme gimme never gets', 'smile for the camera' etc. We try to guide them away from their intrinsic nature.

You can bend and shape the ways of humans all you want, the nature will remain the same. Because, even if people didn't treat people with autism any different then themselves, or an athiest lives harmoniously with those who follow a religion, simply doesn't mean anything has truly changed. In those instances, only what we can SEE has changed, and I can garauntee you that behind closed doors, or in a one on one conversation, the autistic kid picking through a tub full of candy on the counter in a store, with his bare hands, will still be seen as disgustingly rude. The downs kid who sits in the back of the bus, salivating while twirling a string, will still be viewed as simple, or strange ....and the athiest kid wil still be judged a moral rebel.

I admire your enthusiasm, it simply doesn't match my truths. I've learned way too much since I was your age, to ever share that enthusiasm.

My best advice - Do everything you possibly can to take care of YOU and your OWN. Let the rest of the world figure itself out. It's going to anyway and there's not much you can do about it. If you want to contribute to a greater cause, why not help the old lady down the street carry her groceries upstairs (for example) that would make a MUCH bigger difference than a facebook group about changing the world. Take action, rather than appearing to take action.

Best wishes,
Sue

For the record, the world has changed tremendously in just the past century, and that much more in the past 10,000 years.

Humanity is always described, in every generation going back thousands of years, as doomed, and yet here we are, more of us than ever, and in many ways better than ever.

Is there room for improvement? Certainly. Vast improvement awaits, I hope. But much of what one person wants to change in one way will be hotly contested or even flatly rejected by another person.

And even if you are truly wise enough (at any age) to know what needs to be changed, how to go about it, and pull it off, a thousand years from now people will likely look back and see you as still limited by your own time and circumstances.

I do worry whenever someone comes along saying s/he knows exactly how everything must become. Rare is the person who knows enough to make such blanket and bold statements and be right.

I think you missed the point on these two counts. The problem is that with the prevailing ideologies, certain groups - countries, religions, etc - feel that they are entitled to taking something from another group, or forcibly imposing their values on the said 'other group.' That is the problem. We do need to fundimentally change what we value, and what sorts of things we are entitled to. For the record, I have no idea how to initiate such a change.

As per the allusion to trade... I agree that trade is generally a good thing.

I do believe humanity should do those things, but I'm not joining your group. You've heard it from a pompous 35 year old and now you're hearing it from a pompous 21 year old. Though if it's any consolation I'd have told you the same thing if I were still 16. You ARE naive. You've basically got no chance of changing the world, especially with a facebook group.

The problem is that many of the people CAUSING these problems actually believe in the same things. Many would claim to be against war and poverty too. Almost everyone thinks that what they are doing is right. It's a matter of perception. Unless you can make us all perceive the same way, then you ain't gonna change sh*t.

There is a thin line between optimism and being unrealistic, you crossed that line. You crossed it good.

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You haven't considered the fact that EVERYONE thinks that they are a good person, doing the best they can in every situation. No one considers themselves corrupt or evil.

The world can't be fixed with ideas.

You think that people are animals and their struggles are trivial. You think that you can change the way people think. You think your ideas are right and everyone else's are wrong.

What makes you different from the rest of us?

Sadly I agree with the pessimists.

It's a nice idea that we could create a world with no inequality and no subjugation of anyone.

Sadly, people have been fighting for that since f**k knows when. We still live in a world where girls can be kept inside a burning building to die because they are not wearing veils.

I understand your anger and your passion, it is a valuable thing. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your stance. But I don't think you will manage to change the world, because each of those individuals who make up the world is probably thinking the same thing: I'm only one person. I can't change the world. No point in trying.

I believe that the world could change. It is definitely possible. People say that it is human nature to wage war but it is possible to override some aspects of nature. Look at how medical science does this. It has increased life expectancies all around the world.

The problem is that people have to make extraordinary sacrifices in order to achieve true equality in the world. I think the hard part is in getting people to change because they want to change.

But it is possible. Why not? It is silly to knock something before trying. There are many people around the world who have made a difference.

We can abolish hunger, poverty, and overpopulation. But to do so means a willingness to accept social controls that humanity will not accept (unless forced). Are you willing to tell and be told that you can only have X amount of children as our lifespans get longer and longer? One cannot change these human truths without changing the fundamental nature of man.

Let me put it in more relatable terms. I am Agent Smith here. You are in a chair:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndX3tVxCt8[/youtube]

This is not to say that there is no hope. You can make a difference on a smaller scale and improve the lives of yourself and others.

Building the goals in your life is like building a pyramid. When you are young, you will build the base of the pyramid with goals that are wide and broad. As you get older and wiser, you will be able to build all the way to the narrow tip where your goals are focused like the beam of a magnifying glass, burning and effective. I admire your spirit. If you continue to try, finding out what works and what doesn't, you'll be able to help many people effectively rather than a broad group philosophically. Take the entirety of these posts and comments as a part of your development and learn what you can from them.

hmm, yeah don't get discouraged by others trying to tell you what is and isn't possible; however, insults and putdowns get you nowhere. and i *am* an "american" (actually, i identify myself as either a Cailifornian or "human")

Re: world population controls. If there was less red tape around adoption from countries where people can be too poor to look after their babies (which subsequently end up in terrible orphanages), many couples may choose to do so rather than go down the IVF route. Parenthood doesnt necessarily mean reproducing oneself. And many people can be happy with just one or 2 children. I dont think there should be controls on it but if people are made more aware of the issue it might end up working itself out. Many women in the world end up with many children when they would be happy with just one, and were not given the choice. If they were allowed to use contraception then people who wanted to produce a bigger family could be free to do so.

I also believe that the world must change. I feel that each individual must be accepted as they are. I feel that every person should feel welcome, as long as they don't cause harm to others. I feel that everybody's unique quirks must be embraced by everybody. I believe in a world, where everybody can be themselves, and enjoy their freedom, and that includes people with disabilities of all ages. Take it from a punkish hippie who's 34 years old.

Yeah..

I will also have to agree with the other pessimists out there. Human beings arent wired to be kind and loving people. You can talk about it all you want, but in reality it goes against our very nature to sacrifice what we have for the sake of others. Lets put it this way.

Would you be willing to go work at a job for 40 hours per week, and then give all you make to the international children's fund? The money is used to provide things like food, housing, clothing, and education to others, which is fairly in line with your goals. Also, you would still be living at home with your parents, meaning you get food, and lodging. So, you arent suffering to do this, you are merely giving of your time to help others.

So, get going. Let me know when you are working full time and giving all you make to charity. I will wait.

Or, you could accept the fact that you, like all humans, are more talk then substance.

Making groups and posting on the internet wont change anything. If you really want to make the world a better place, then do it through your actions.
Volunteer to help out a good cause.
Perhaps find a single mother and offer to baby sit her kids for a few hours per week so she can go shopping or have a night on her own without the children.
Get a job and give a portion of what you make to a reputable charity.
Perhaps just take the time to talk with somebody and give them some encouragement and advice. That's what I do over on the parent's forum, and it seems to help make the world a better place.

If your really want to change things, start with actually making the change yourself and finding ways to help others.