Superior intelligence is so overrated

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Meh, I don't care to be part of their little "club"; I would rather just be surrounded by relatively intelligent people who worship me.

When you'll have tested it, you'll begin to see that worship is overrated as well.

When I said "worship", I meant it in a mild sense...

I looked in two dictionaries, there was no mild sense to that word.

Sorry if most of the times I miss the subtleties

... And since I've been on this forum, I understand fairly well why people with Asperger sydrome feel so confortable abroad!

Even if I'm aware that my posts are awful to read for those who do!

It's not a typical use of the word. Sometimes, a word is used in a weaker sense than what is given in a dictionary.
Occasionally, this is because the dictionary is out of date; my English is different from my parents' English.
Also, though, having never worshipped anything in my life, I would almost always use the word in a milder sense.

I messure it by choice and wisdom. Three or more people in my life prooved to me enough that having awsome grades in school isn't everything by a long shot, if you choose foolishly. I agree with a couple here though. You need emotional, not just edgucational intellegance to land certain jobs, and get most relationships.

The reason why intelligence is overrated, even though it isn't really rated, is because all throughout school years, people place a huge emphasis on intelligence like you can't find a job if you don't make good grades. That mentality is so overrated because you can go through school with a 150+ IQ, be in all the advance classes, make a 4.0 every semester, and you find that A, everything you know doesn't really matter in the job market because it's about who you know and how much people like you, and B, half the crap you learned can't really be applied to an entry level position. Intelligence alone isn't going to make you rich or solve your problems, but it does come in handy when teamed up with other aspects of one's self such as social skills, being able to control your emotions, wisdom, self management, etc. Out of all the things that you could work on for self improvement, I think wisdom is the most important, and you don't get that from a textbook (sorry Protestants, that also includes the Bible).

Either way, in the end, the potential to do great (such as someone with a high IQ) is meaningless if they do nothing with it. If you are truly gifted with a wonderful ability to learn easily, then do something with it. Try learning other skills to complement your IQ such as learning to make wise decisions (when to sell and when to buy type thing), self management and self discipline, emotions, etc. They are harder to learn because they aren't so black and white like math in a textbook, but if you are truly gifted in learning (which is what the IQ is about because none of the questions on the IQ test is considered knowledge we were born with), then you should have no problem mastering these arts in life. When you do master these arts, then do something with it. Make a goal. Whether you decide to find the cure to cancer or just raise children, contribute something to the world. While you are at it, create your own heaven and live the life you want to live. But just stop wallowing about how stupid people suck.

BTW, I was never considered a genius, but I came pretty damn close to one for many years of my life. Now that I've had children, no lie, my IQ dropped over 20 points. But I think the test is more about what you have learned rather than what you can learn, so I really hate that test. I've seen more damage caused by it than good. You know once I tutored a 7th grade boy. He was in special education diagnosed ADHD with an IQ of 70. While I really tried to work on his reading skills (because that's the key to learning since most people place all their knowledge into a written form, and better reading skills means less time spent doing homework), I also tried to work on his math skills. At some point, I was determined the kid's IQ in no way measured his potential. It took me all of 20 minutes to teach him base systems and have him adding and subtracting in binary code. I finally asked the right questions to the kids mother, such as when he takes his ADHD meds and compared behaviors, and then I suggested taking him to a different shrink. She did. The kid never had ADHD. Since he stopped using that medication, he's been a straight A student without the help of a tutor and no longer in the special ed program. Either way, his false ADHD diagnosis was a result of the lower IQ on the test, which IMO, is a result of the crappy teachers we got in our school system.

marshall,

I'm quite sure you speak for many of us on the spectrum. Brilliant. Thank you.

That's it. My entire life. Put it on my epitaph. After that, there's really nothing more to say.

If you add up all my verbose commentary....this post is exactly what I've been trying to say for 14 months.

Doubt I would ever have said it though.

So thank you for putting it into words.

Finding this post was like finding the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow...(it's back on p.3)


[note: italicized and bold are by me]

Last edited by alba on 24 Oct 2009, 12:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Depending on what dictionary you read.... Noah Webster's originals were the best. He was a genius. After reading his biography, I doubt you will find yourself in any position to logically argue how you would know better than him. Either way, many people seem to think they do by totally re-writing it and re-defining these words. I understand updating for the times, but removing his religious connotations was the worse thing cause now the intangibles just can't be accurately defined. How stupid is that anyway? If I were a company such as Mirriam Webster, and statistics prove that the best selling book of all time is not the dictionary but the Bible, the last thing I would do is remove Biblical reference from the dictionary. While I may personally believe in the Bible, you don't have to believe in it to make money from it. Look at Evangelism and the 700 Club. Sorry to get religious, but I believe you don't have to believe in God to learn from Him. I don't see the genius in discrediting all the things God stands for because of the intangible nature and misuse of the concept. Seriously, if I improperly explained Einstein's Theory of Relativity, does that discredit Einstein? Sorry to assume your argument, but I went ahead and said it before someone else decided to break out a can of athiesm on my, well you know.

BTW, it is very possible Noah might have been Aspergers because that's the side of my family the genetics run. In my family, it is most probable the first born is going to end up Aspie, and if Noah were the first born, I would almost safely guarantee it. But he wasn't, so it's only a possibility.

Yes, low IQ people have problems, too. They can get depressed just like anybody can; I clearly remember an interesting case study I read of a profoundly delayed young lady who was found to have bipolar disorder, the sort with hypomania and depression, by her behavior; and when she got medication for it, ended up improving a great deal. And this is a person who had to be diagnosed by behavior because she couldn't speak more than a couple of words. The author commented that diagnosing mood disorders (including depression) in low-IQ people poses special challenges... I know it's kind of depressing to think about, but the fact is nobody gets out of the highs and lows of being human. Your joys and sorrows might be different if you've got developmental delay, but they're going to be there.

We mightn't be able to talk to the really, really low IQ people about their lives; but in the moderate-mild range, they can tell us about it just fine; and not to listen is just about as silly as Autism Speaks refusing to listen to language-using autistics. Turns out their lives are different (and they're different from person to person just like we are), but there's the same basic human nature in all of it that we have, too. They're perfectly good people, just really bad at IQ tests (and related skills).

I'd rather have a lowish intelligence but have a high emotinal/social intellegence than the other way round, atleast I'd be happier then. Being really smart doesnt make you popular, social ability does. Both is a bonus, I'd love both but I only seem to be high in intellectual ability and relatively low in social and emotional.

Would you care to give us a definition of your sense of "worship" and explain how it relates to the etymology of the word?

Why would you want people to worship/envy/admire you anyway? Where is the intellectual stimulation in that? As far as I can see, it just means you get to feel smug while everyone agrees with what you have to say.

Of course it helps you get a good job. How many people with IQs of 100 do you think become doctors or lawyers?

A few do, actually, by working very hard. You can make up for not being a genius by being very good at working hard. That's something they don't measure on IQ tests.

Besides, it's not like the IQ test measures medical knowledge and law. You don't have to be a genius to make that kind of distinction.

I would not care to define it, as I'm bad at defining words despite being good at using them. Also, the etymology of the word is irrelevant because:
1. Meanings change, sometimes substantially; the word "silly" used to mean "holy".
2. Words are applied to different uses all the time, without warning, explanation, or formally accepted definition.


First, you clearly don't mean the same "worship" that I do.
Second, I have no need for people to envy me; it's not constructive.
Third, you don't see far enough, as it would seem that you haven't even read my original post: I said "relatively intelligent". This means that they don't agree with me all the time, etc..
Fourth, it seems like a mild personal attack when you reply to an off-topic conversation that you were not previously involved in and is on the previous page and ask me to explain myself. If it's so important, then you can PM me. Otherwise, you're forcing the thread off-topic. I will not make any further posts concerning the matter in this thread.