parents decided to take away my latop on weekdays.

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TheDogfather
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25 Oct 2009, 12:59 am

If possible you could get one of those mobiles with internet and browsing.



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25 Oct 2009, 6:15 am

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you're either going to accept it and become more depressed, or you can fight it with some of the other suggestions. There's no magical answer for you unless you're willing to do the hard things.

As to the above, if you have US citizenship, which I assume you do, but are currently in Turkey and not on an Embassy, I doubt you're going to get any luck with the law. Turkey is a strong muslim country and Islam is notoriously against female rights.


Yeah, i'll have to fight somehow. :/. i am pretty sure they are going to take it physically. GRrrr.

yeah, no luck with the law here in such matters. people pretty much think of the children as parent's property. XD. especially girls. did you know a while back, in the southern bits of Turkey (very primitive in some areas) a girl who got raped was EXCECUTED by her father, because her "virginity was spoiled", and she was seen as worthless by her father? people like that make me want to peel their spines out with a red hot spoon.



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25 Oct 2009, 6:31 am

And that is religion for you. In that scenario, the father is worse than the rapist

I built my own computer some years ago. Some think was 10 years ago, others 11 - or was it 12? I'll have to check that one - lol. No one did anything against me on that because I was very skilled. 6pin DIN into BNC :lol: that was funny.

I do like the idea of taking the keys... Better still - disconnect the starter motor - one cable is all it needs, or unplug the alternator :twisted: Just make sure you aren't in the car at the time.



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25 Oct 2009, 6:47 am

So, why don't you just show them WP and some of your posts here so that they know what you're doing and what you're getting out of having your laptop?



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25 Oct 2009, 7:30 am

Keith wrote:
And that is religion for you. In that scenario, the father is worse than the rapist
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i know! it angers me.



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So, why don't you just show them WP and some of your posts here so that they know what you're doing and what you're getting out of having your laptop?


cause they will definately be spying on me from that day on...and they will see all my posts like "why arent i horny" and stuff. who wants their parents to see that sort of stuff! D: i think i will tell them exactly what i do, but remain anonymous of names and stuff. that is my right, isnt it? and it is their problem if they do not trust me.



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25 Oct 2009, 7:42 am

It's possible to browse with safety... Firefox has private web browsing, then there is the additional FireFox portable which stores everything on that device. All your history and stuff...



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25 Oct 2009, 7:58 am

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It's possible to browse with safety... Firefox has private web browsing, then there is the additional FireFox portable which stores everything on that device. All your history and stuff...


no, i mean they will go on WP and search me.



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25 Oct 2009, 9:10 am

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cause they will definately be spying on me from that day on...and they will see all my posts like "why arent i horny" and stuff. who wants their parents to see that sort of stuff! D: i think i will tell them exactly what i do, but remain anonymous of names and stuff. that is my right, isnt it? and it is their problem if they do not trust me.


They won't see that thread unless they can log in to WP. Threads in the "members only" and "adult autism issues" sections don't show up on searches unless you are logged on.



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25 Oct 2009, 9:15 am

i didnt know that! :D. providing they dont get an account. XD



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25 Oct 2009, 9:18 am

ahhh - toupé ! !



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25 Oct 2009, 9:54 am

Wow, i remember my parents attempting something like this. My brothers and i have always played computer games (when PC games were first making their appearance), but our parents got a bit agitated with it and decided it would be in "our" best interest to make it so that we couldnt play regular games unless we played "educational" ones first. Oddly, our school grades were always high, and we kept telling them that the educational games were crap . . . and like most parents, they didnt want to listen. Talked to them again recently (topic came up somehow), "Well, you guys never told us," and i said, "Yes we did, you just didnt want to listen." Eventually, it just became a rule that we couldnt play until homework was done and that was the end of the scenario . . . but it took us 5-10 years to get our parents to realize that their kids were well mannered, disciplined, and did well in school. Show them proof of your individual accomplishments even while using the computer more than them. Confidentially if you're a B+ grade student (or second highest GPA level depending on the education measurement there) then they have no reason to impose such a limit. If its a, "Go out and socialize" issue being their reason . . . well . . . that WILL be hard to handle. ><


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25 Oct 2009, 10:08 am

Here's an approach that may have some effect. Maybe you could try giving your parents the impression that you need them more than you feel you do. It seems like it's your mother you need to convince. Perhaps she feels underappreciated or ignored, so she feels she must confiscate your property in order to aquire you attention and though time earn your respect and love. Ofcourse, I'm just taking a blind guess here. Assuming what i'm saying is at all accurate, tell her that since she started taking your computer that you feel you and her have been drifting apart and you no longer feel you can relate to her. Perhaps she is more insecure than you might think.

But then I dunno, you know your parents best.


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25 Oct 2009, 11:03 am

Gimme a 13mm - 1/2" spanner and I'll remove the earth cable to the start motor - hehe.

If I wanted to go overboard, I could remove it :twisted: Meaning, a bump start EVERY time - unless it an automatic and you can run at 40mph or 60KM/h(I think)



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25 Oct 2009, 11:21 am

G'day Spazzergasm,

Your father and your father and your relationship sounds exactly the same as mine with my father. From the many layers of his selfishness, right down to personal habits that makes a person with sensory issues life hellish. I am sorry for you becasue I know how excruiating it is.

My father too used to demand respect from me, on the other hand he seemd to believe it was his duty to bully, belittle, dominate and make life as hard as he knew how for me. How could I give him respect when he didn't show it to me or any one else for that matter. I remember asking him many times if he hated me, because I honestly thought he did. Why else would he treat me so badly? I didn't understand all I knew was what he was doing was not fair and that I could never let him win, or it would all get even worse. He never won with me but it didn't stop him trying.

My mother was a fantastic mother, she had 5 children that she looked after very well, but she did not realise most of what he was doing to one of them. She worked part time because he fancied himself as a professional gambler for many years, (a hopeless one at that, but that never stopped him)When he did work it was only ever in jobs that allowed him to gamble. Anyway my father was home alot more than my mother ever was. So he didn't do the vast majority of the things that I now identify as abusive and unfair infront of my mother. Nor did he very often try doing it to her. He did know better than to try it on her. This in my mind also makes him a coward.

For all intents and purposes all my mother ever saw was me hating my own father, for no good reason that she could see, despite going above and beyond what I identified as the right thing to do in every other area of my life. Infact growing up herself in very violent and neglectful house hold she thought that I led a charmed existence and I suppose couldn't understand why I acted the way I did towards my father. My father was not violent after all !

Only in my adult life am I able to suppose he singled me out because of the massive distrust/hate but dependant relationship he had with women and of course I was the only female child, whom he thought he could have victory over. I was also very determined to achieve my goals(which he could never dream of doing) I acted nothing like how he thought females should act. Also more recently at 42 years of age do I realise he may have considered that there was actually something that set me apart from most normal people he knew.............ASD.

What my father didn't realise is that he only made me stronger by doing what he did. He did a good job of keeping me away from men for long enough (26 years)for me to achieve what I found important. When I did happen upon a man who was not frightened away by my open hostility and wanted to be with me he was left under no illussion of what I wanted out of a marriage, and also that I would never accept being treated badly within it. He was also reminded regularly if he didn't want what I wanted out of life it ws more than OK with me if he disappeared. I was going against my better judgement having anything to do with him in the first place. These days I feel as empowered as I am ever likely to need to be, for myself and anyone else I love.

The reason I am telling you this is that I too, could often not see the end to my torment when I was young, but it did end. I also came out at the other side more than adequatley equipt to deal with the world than I would have otherwise been.

You seem to be a very sensible girl for 17 year old. You must also realise it is more about your parents treatment of you than it is your silly laptop. This is just another way they can get at you. It must be encouraging to get the support from people here but I think you already know how to tread in this situation. More than likely you have been dealing with your parents crap for long enough to know how to handle it. You really don't have that much longer untill you can start to make your own decisions in life. At your age I was already studying and working full time shift work. I got great joy out of my job that I had initially secured through doing volunteer work with the disabled, and changed my whole approach to my existence.

I would be careful with doing things you are doubtful about it this situation. I would hate to see you even more uncomfortable at home because you did something you wouldn't ordinarily do.

Hope this helps



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25 Oct 2009, 11:39 am

my dad isnt abusive for the most part. i dotn think he hates me. i think he just doesnt love me. he wants me/other people to conform to what he wants them to be. and he is a very abrasie human to live with.

i hope i can get myself together like you.
sorry, i feel like i should respond longer, but i am not sure how. i did read your post thouroughly and take it into consideration though. thanks for the advice. i'm sorry you had such a difficult life. i think yours was harder than mine!

Prosser my mother does feel underappreciated. but i think she feels this from her husband, and she likes to take it out on me in her passive ways because she dare not defy him.

i will write the letter tonight, and let you all know how it goes tomorrow. X/. i think ill put it on my mother's computer tonight, so she finds it when i am at school, thus avoiding confrontation on my part.



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25 Oct 2009, 1:02 pm

My mom and dad are both like that as well. I'm just glad I didn't get my genes from my legal father. For once, I think I'm pretty damn glad to have been adopted, rather than the genetic progeny of that man... Now if only my mother wasn't my real mother...

(After so long trying to reason with two adults, finding they constantly expect you to bend to their whims, belittling you, treating you like a little servant, you learn to hate them.)