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23 Nov 2009, 5:17 pm

Yeah, "killing 'em with kindness" works better when he gets older, since by that point, most folks have "matured" to the point where they're not being direct douchebags; rather they're doing it deceptively.

When ya "kill 'em with kindness" at that point, that backs 'em into a corner a tad, and they usually realize you're sort of on to 'em.

Younger, they don't really understand it. And that goes for both the bullies and the ones being bullied.



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24 Nov 2009, 12:51 pm

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I remember a boy at University, I was two years ahead of him.

He used to get teased relentlessly by the 'incrowd'.

One evening, probably after the usual excessive drinking, the 'incrowd' were having another teasing session on this person.

I wasn't a friend of the victim but I did feel very sorry for him and so I stood up to the gang.

It was just verbal although I did have the height and the arms to back it up. I can't say for sure that the teasing ended that day, but I dont remember hearing any ever again.

Yesterday I Googled that man. I was delighted to find that like many of the graduates of that University, he had found success and satisfaction and has developed a niche consulting business.

I am going to email him to congratulate him.



Here is the email I sent him last week.


Hello *******,

You probably won’t remember me but I was a Third Year Undergraduate, living in the same University Student House as you, during your first year at *** University.

I’m the blond guy who used to run a lot.

The Student House was quite a rowdy place at times and some of the residents there could be quite unpleasant and unkind.

I remember that you were sometimes the person chosen to be picked on by the mob and I remember like it was yesterday, the day that I stood up to the mob and stopped them.

I did that in part because what they were doing was plain wrong. I also did that because I was picked on in the same way at school and my teen years at secondary school were thoroughly miserable.

I have a strange memory for names and so the other day I Googled you, wondering how you were.

I was delighted to find that you have set up your own specialist niche consultancy and I want to congratulate you.

I could still recognise you from your photo on your homepage.

Well done ?????.


Best regards


Blindspot149


Epilogue:

I haven't heard back from him yet and there could be any number of reasons.

He may be on holiday, it may be too painful for him to remember, he may not actually remember the incident or even me and he may even think that it is a hoax email.

It isn't important that he remembers me. What is important is that someone blocked tackle and stood up for him and was prepared to physically stop his tormentors if necessary.

Fortunately I was able to stop them with words.

Pay it forward..............


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24 Nov 2009, 3:20 pm

assuming the guy is NT, he might've also perceived it as somewhat creepy and stalker-like, regardless of your intentions.



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24 Nov 2009, 4:06 pm

Do NT types get picked on? I guess I figured anyone picked on would have to be different.

but if he was NT, maybe he was freaked out by someone defending him, who knows.

Like a beaten wife who will defend her husband if someone tries to stop him from hurting her. Why cops hate domestic disputes, or so I have read.

Hey I was accidentally 8O kind to someone at work today, as an update, one of my bullies in fact. Offered her one of my Starbucks 'Via' packets to make a coffee since she said she was tired, and she looked so astonished that I just offered it. I wasn't being fake about it either like trying to get in good with someone, I just offered it without thinking because they do work to wake you up. Maybe there is something to that kindness thing! If it's genuine, it might work.



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24 Nov 2009, 5:13 pm

Well, D. has been suspended from school for today and tomorrow for fighting back. He has to take responsibility for his part in it. When the assistant principal called me at work she said he was so upset he couldn't communicate well enough for her to understand his side of the story and that he was in her office rocking back and forth. We had just had a discussion about when it was appropriate to react and when to ignore. When I picked him up I asked him what happened. He said there was a kid, also described as disabled by the asst. principal, who other kids encourage to hit my son. He says it has happened several times. So when they started encouraging this kid to hit my son, my son said back off. The instigator called my son a name,he retaliated,the guy shoved my son,son shoved back, then the punching began. D. said the other kid threw the first punch. The point is I think that D. is past the point of being able to deal with this anymore. I suspect the kids try to provoke D. because when he loses it he cries and growls. The asst. principal said there was no supervision because this happened outside the school before the doors opened. As I said earlier, she said my son was unable to tell her what had happened because he was too upset. Then when I picked him up she said she would send me an official letter telling me what he did. :? I imagine she got a polished account from the other kid. D. is not capable of coming up with an elaborate lie when he is so upset he can barely speak at all. Anyway it was said that D. was picking on this other kid (disabled)but he said someone grabbed the kids hat off and threw it at him and he threw it on the ground. Anyway you look at it no adults were present. Whew! I've been telling D. to do as the school says and report bullying. Now at this point I want names. I'm afraid he's been branded and he has a choice of being ostracized or bullied. The saddest thing is he wants friends. He has no idea why someone he never met would come up, call him a ret*d and shove him into the lockers. So my aunt and uncle are visiting my mother for the holidays and were planning a day trip so I took him over there. They called later and said he had a severe headache and he was vomiting. I think it's stress.Something's got to give.


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24 Nov 2009, 8:26 pm

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Well, D. has been suspended from school for today and tomorrow for fighting back. He has to take responsibility for his part in it. When the assistant principal called me at work she said he was so upset he couldn't communicate well enough for her to understand his side of the story and that he was in her office rocking back and forth. We had just had a discussion about when it was appropriate to react and when to ignore. When I picked him up I asked him what happened. He said there was a kid, also described as disabled by the asst. principal, who other kids encourage to hit my son. He says it has happened several times. So when they started encouraging this kid to hit my son, my son said back off. The instigator called my son a name,he retaliated,the guy shoved my son,son shoved back, then the punching began. D. said the other kid threw the first punch. The point is I think that D. is past the point of being able to deal with this anymore. I suspect the kids try to provoke D. because when he loses it he cries and growls. The asst. principal said there was no supervision because this happened outside the school before the doors opened. As I said earlier, she said my son was unable to tell her what had happened because he was too upset. Then when I picked him up she said she would send me an official letter telling me what he did. :? I imagine she got a polished account from the other kid. D. is not capable of coming up with an elaborate lie when he is so upset he can barely speak at all. Anyway it was said that D. was picking on this other kid (disabled)but he said someone grabbed the kids hat off and threw it at him and he threw it on the ground. Anyway you look at it no adults were present. Whew! I've been telling D. to do as the school says and report bullying. Now at this point I want names. I'm afraid he's been branded and he has a choice of being ostracized or bullied. The saddest thing is he wants friends. He has no idea why someone he never met would come up, call him a ret*d and shove him into the lockers. So my aunt and uncle are visiting my mother for the holidays and were planning a day trip so I took him over there. They called later and said he had a severe headache and he was vomiting. I think it's stress.Something's got to give.


I don't know what the rules are where you live, but in Canada the SCHOOL is responsible for what happens to the kids from the moment they get on the bus, or the moment they enter school property.



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24 Nov 2009, 8:41 pm

Well, fighting equals suspension and D. was fighting. I don't mind his suspension if it wakes them up. I'm going to have a meeting regarding this. The thing is I know their line will be D. needs to learn to handle being teased like any other kid. They don't understand that he can't. I'm beginning to wonder if mainstreaming is worth it. D. was in a preschool program for developmentally delayed kids and when he was ready for kindergarten I attended a meeting regarding his placement. I remember one of them referred to mainstreaming him as " sending him out to the wolves", but he was mostly non verbal then at 5. He didn't really start communicating until that summer and then very sporadically. He was put on Risperdal and that allayed his anxiety and sensory issues enough that it was decided he could handle being mainstreamed. I think there's still a problem with the wolves, there's just a slower build up to the meltdown.


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24 Nov 2009, 10:48 pm

of course he wants friends...he's at that age; what's even sadder is they won't come 'til later in life. And some time later, he might even realize that a social life isn't all it's cracked up to be.

At that age, it's publicized to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.



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25 Nov 2009, 3:25 am

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Well, D. has been suspended from school for today and tomorrow for fighting back. He has to take responsibility for his part in it. When the assistant principal called me at work she said he was so upset he couldn't communicate well enough for her to understand his side of the story and that he was in her office rocking back and forth. We had just had a discussion about when it was appropriate to react and when to ignore. When I picked him up I asked him what happened. He said there was a kid, also described as disabled by the asst. principal, who other kids encourage to hit my son. He says it has happened several times. So when they started encouraging this kid to hit my son, my son said back off. The instigator called my son a name,he retaliated,the guy shoved my son,son shoved back, then the punching began. D. said the other kid threw the first punch. The point is I think that D. is past the point of being able to deal with this anymore. I suspect the kids try to provoke D. because when he loses it he cries and growls. The asst. principal said there was no supervision because this happened outside the school before the doors opened. As I said earlier, she said my son was unable to tell her what had happened because he was too upset. Then when I picked him up she said she would send me an official letter telling me what he did. :? I imagine she got a polished account from the other kid. D. is not capable of coming up with an elaborate lie when he is so upset he can barely speak at all. Anyway it was said that D. was picking on this other kid (disabled)but he said someone grabbed the kids hat off and threw it at him and he threw it on the ground. Anyway you look at it no adults were present. Whew! I've been telling D. to do as the school says and report bullying. Now at this point I want names. I'm afraid he's been branded and he has a choice of being ostracized or bullied. The saddest thing is he wants friends. He has no idea why someone he never met would come up, call him a ret*d and shove him into the lockers. So my aunt and uncle are visiting my mother for the holidays and were planning a day trip so I took him over there. They called later and said he had a severe headache and he was vomiting. I think it's stress.Something's got to give.


From the moment he gets on that bus, at least thats how the law is up here in Alberta, the school is liable for what happens. If I were you, I'd advise the school, that the next time your kid is bullied or is suspended for defending himself, you will SUE the school for negligence.Schools hate lawsuits and even the threat might wake them up.


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25 Nov 2009, 3:34 am

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25 Nov 2009, 6:05 am

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Well, D. has been suspended from school for today and tomorrow for fighting back.

That pretty much says it all about the attitude of many schools to bullying. Won't protect a vulnerable child, won't allow a vulnerable child to protect himself. Why is self-defense taboo for kids, but a perfectly acceptable excuse for adults? Anyway, I hope the fact that he socked one of them back will send its own message to the little devils.



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25 Nov 2009, 6:20 am

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Aimless wrote:
Well, D. has been suspended from school for today and tomorrow for fighting back.

That pretty much says it all about the attitude of many schools to bullying. Won't protect a vulnerable child, won't allow a vulnerable child to protect himself. Why is self-defense taboo for kids, but a perfectly acceptable excuse for adults? Anyway, I hope the fact that he socked one of them back will send its own message to the little devils.


the sooner they hit him up, and teach him to appease the bad guys, the faster he'll learn and conform to "acceptable social standards"....

Remind me again why so many of you folks here so badly want to be able to fit in, and have social lives?



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25 Nov 2009, 10:43 am

I just got a recorded message from the school that D. had an "unexcused absence". :roll:


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25 Nov 2009, 1:00 pm

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I just got a recorded message from the school that D. had an "unexcused absence". :roll:


That's just silly -- they know darn well why he was absent!

I am sorry that D. got in trouble. I don't think he deserves to be blamed for this entire incident, but that the school should see that he is not acting unprovoked and that others are the major contributors, and that they are in fact acting against him because he is different.

It's a type of hate crime, really IMO, although that does sound extreme. There could be a lawsuit here because there is a pattern of continued harrassment. People have sued for less. And this was on school property or nearby? And they have no supervision, even though the school probably knows they gather there before the doors are open, but these kids would need some supervision even if they were seniors. They are still kids.

I still believe in self-defense, but have even seen in court cases where adults defending themselves during an attack were called into account by a judge for their extreme reactions. Basically the judge was saying their self-defense was way too defensive. How idiotic. I think that's a bunch of hokum. Self-defense is self-defense. And no victim should be allowed to bear the brunt of a punishment for actions stemming from an attack on their person. It's not fair. And it's a shame that your son may learn from this that it doesn't pay to defend himself.

That school needs to take greater responsibility for the children in their care, IMO, I hope you don't mind my saying that. And for managing the major problems that can fester from brushing off true harrassment as just teasing.

I do have to say, Doc 82, that it really doesn't pay to socialize when the only result is getting used or manipulated, and I have been there because I'm not capable of seeing that stuff coming. But I always wanted friends too, even though I would be constantly betrayed by them, or treated like crap because I'm just not able to handle the pressures of having a friendship or relationship, which is a responsibility too.



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25 Nov 2009, 6:07 pm

D. talked to some neighborhood kids who told him he has a reputation as "the craziest kid in school" for taking on an eighth grader. lol That might work to his advantage.


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25 Nov 2009, 8:36 pm

Irrelevant contribution...sorry



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