Is NVLD Part ASD

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my doing a report on ASD and would like to know Please

Opinions actually differ on that. One group believes that NVLD is a learning disability that specifically creates problems with socializing, visual-spatial skills, motor skills, and the non-denotative uses of language, whose primary marker is the existence of a Verbal IQ much higher than one's Performance IQ. This group believes that NVLD may be related to autism, but is not actually on the spectrum. Another group believes that NVLD is basically a neurologist's perspective on what a psychologist would immediately call Asperger's or PDD-NOS (atypical autism), because the symptoms are so similar.

The one big difference between them is that NVLD criteria don't tend to include the "restricted and repetitive activities and interests" criterion, which for Asperger's usually means intense special interests and/or repetitive behavior such as hand-flapping, rocking, foot-tapping, finger-tapping, and other stereotypies.

NVLD is not yet a recognized diagnosis in either the ICD-10 or the DSM-IV; Asperger's and Autism appear in both. That means that NVLD is not yet concretely defined, at least in any way that is accepted by the community at large.

The definitions of NVLD which I have read would qualify anyone who met them to be diagnosed with either PDD-NOS or Asperger's; in my opinion, since autism itself does cause a different cognitive style and affects learning style, NVLD is probably yet another way that autism can express itself. Because autism does not easily fall into sub-categories (autistic people are very diverse, and there are no clear dividing lines between subgroups, including no clear dividing lines between PDD-NOS, Asperger's, and NVLD), it doesn't seem to make much sense to divide autism up at all. Better to use a diagnostic system that points out the strongest features of a particular case and then asks the psychologist to treat the individual as an individual.

huh i dont get it

They're definitely not one in the same. Not all people with Asperger's or PDD-NOS have a high VIQ, the most distinctive feature of NVLD. I have an average VIQ and an above average PIQ.

is or is not

i just dont get it

Eddy, there's no firm answer yet. It's an unanswered question. NVLD is not even officially defined anywhere yet.

Not all people with Asperger's or PDD-NOS have sensory sensitivity. Does that make AS or PDD-NOS with sensory sensitivity a separate disorder?

The short answer is nobody knows. Basically there is no scientifically definitive answer because the definitions of the labels are invented.

Labels such as autism and NVLD are arbitrary descriptors that psychologists decided to attached to certain recurring sets of symptoms/characteristics. While the symptoms may overlap that alone isn't a good indicator that they are related in terms of physical neurology. The science hasn't reached the level where one can scan a persons brain and define labels based on physically demonstrable abnormalities. Until that happens there will be differences in opinion.

oh its a misfit ok but still i remember reading something about nld and adhd being talk about some where

No, but sensory sensitivity is not the defining characteristic of AS or PDD-NOS. Having a higher VIQ and lower PIQ is a defining characteristic of NVLD. A lot of people on the spectrum, myself included, have an IQ profile that is the exact opposite of NVLD.

I've struggled to understand the difference between ASD and NVLD myself, since there is so much overlap.

my son is dx'd NVLD but seems completely AS to me. he's intensely obsessed with his computer, he stims, he's socially inept and he has sensory issues. but his PIQ is significantly lower than his VIQ, so he was dx'd NVLD.

it seems like there are all kinds of patterns for IQ in PDDs and that they should be considered on a separate functioning sub-scale and instead of being used as a defining criteria for whether someone is spectrum or not.

Reading a book on NLVD atm...

Diff I'm reading are:

NLVD- described as the left hemisphere dominating the right hemisphere in functioning... either by over powered left or underpowered right. This is why most people with NLVD are right handed, while there is no handedness associated with AS.

NLVD- affects boys and girls equally-- THOUGH, I don't really believe in the 4:1 ratio for As/autism anyway (I think that's more of a descriptive issue that is slowly being redefined)

NLVD- has visual-spatial organization deficits NOT found in AS... Autistics are supposed to process visual info very well

NLVD- none of the obsessive interests required

NLVD- Higher ratio of verbal to performance IQ... which can come via two angles (meaning one or both can contribute to ratio difference): accelerated verbal and math deficits. This ratio difference is not found in As as much because they tend to do better with the math at least though high verbal is common in As too... and similar language deficits are found in both.

NLVD-math deficits... linked to visual processing: hard time with graphs, maps, word problems-those these are often found with AS too due to language deficits... Also, AS often excel in particular maths, like geometry due to visual processing.

I am still curious about eye contact issues with NLVD as I have not come across anything to address this issue.

NVLD is proposing to be in the DSM V.

However I was told by someone who worked with Attwood, that SPD, NVLD, and AS are thought to be the same disorders described by different specialists. So a speech pathologist would say someone has SPD for example.

Then from my reading NVLD seems to be a popular dx in America.

I don't think anyone knows what it is really.

For myself sometimes I have disclosed that I have a learning disability rather than AS, using NVLD as an explanation!!

These labels are silly in some ways, useful in others, the trick is to use them for purposes that work for you and not against you.

When I was in fifth grade, I was given a IQ test, and my VIQ came out 52 points higher than my PIQ. My VIQ was high enough to place me in the gifted range, and my PIQ was low enough to place me in the borderline r****** range. I'm not clear about how much was known about NVLD at this time, but my evaluator clearly hadn't heard of it, as he just said that he had never seen such a large deviation between the two scores, and he didn't know what to make of it. I do have symptoms of NVLD that don't overlap with AS, such as severe visual spatial and motor difficulties. However, I also have intense special interests, obsessive routines and sensory issues, which are symptoms of AS, and not NVLD.
There is a lot of overlap between NVLD and AS, although they are not identical. I believe that it is possible to have one, but not the other, and it's also possible to have both. I'm 99.9% sure that I have both of these conditions. I don't think it's all that unusual to have both conditions. NVLD is definitely closely related to AS, which indicates to me that is is probably on the spectrum. That's just my opinion, however, and I'm sure plenty would disagree.

No I don't think NLD is part of the autism spectrum. But they do share the same characteristics. But then again there are other conditions out there that share the same characteristics as AS.

i nvld and bored line aspergers also adhd go nvld paralles as in so many ways